Ravi is kind enough to devote his thoughts to a book review I had posted recently; the book, which proves that Nehru was a die-hard communist. Ravi’s entry contains a neat distinction between the definitions Socialism and Communism as was understood fifty or eighty years ago. One that I agree with in toto.
Bear with me if this entry doesn’t follow any pattern of logically arriving at a conclusion, but I hope I make my point reasonably clear in the end.
I quote Ravi:
“socialist” means something very different from what it meant fifty or eighty years back. Now it has a much vaguer meaning, i.e. the government has some sort of heavy handed role in the economy. At that time, it meant that the government controls the economy completely. The only difference between socialism and communism was that a socialist thought that the same ends could be achieved without revolution, though not necessarily without violence. He would have prefered to achieve it through constitutional means if possible, or through a series of agitations and strikes if necessary. But the final result of both would have been the same, though a socialist would wish that the government be democratically elected.
Socialism in today’s world is all but dead whatever its understanding in today’s context is. As History is witness, socialists of various hues either eventually abandoned socialism in favour of Communism, or were overshadowed/relegated to the dustbin because Communism won several thumping battles. (I know I’m doing semantobatics here, but do indulge me) Ever since, Socialism has been equated with Communism. Further, it is also insightful to observe the modern-day socialists/communists. Ever since Communism has become a dirty word, they are under pressure to invent newer jargon to obscure the word taking care not to distort the message. This pattern is pretty much the same the world over with perhaps the sole exception of India where 70-something retards still squall about a Workers’ Revolution that is waiting to happen in India. They do so with the full knowledge that an average Indian (in their lexicon this generally stands for their dear peasants, factory labourers and an assortment of people including auto rickshaw drivers) doesn’t really understand what Communism stands for. And those Communist intellectuals who in the forefront holler in this manner are themselves from the hated bourgeoisie class. With this in the background, I’ll quote Ravi again:
Of course, when compared with what he really wanted to “achieve”, India truly fell short. So naturally Nehru’s intellectuals defined down socialism to mean some nice-sounding ideals and this is what most people think of when they think of socialism.
After you read the book, it becomes pretty clear that Nehru didn’t have the first clue on leading a nation with such a bloody history of foreign oppression behind it. Be it in any field: foreign policy, economy, or education. He rambled voluminously mostly about the goodness of socialism/communism, of the glorious achievements of the USSR, against the imperial powers (UK, France & Germany at first, then the US), and lastly, about his cherished Socialistic Pattern of Society. What SPS stands for is till today a mystery because the Founder himself wasn’t clear about it. What is clear is that it was a Communist state that he wanted to convert India into. Nehru used the word “socialism,” or SPS to mask his true Communist leanings.
So the argument over whether Nehru was “only” a socialist or a communist at heart is less important than it is to understand how close we were to disaster under Nehru.
It has been proved conclusively the kind of damage Communism (can and) has inflicted upon mankind, and it is from this perspective that I indulged in some play of semantics. An individual is just the manifestation of the ideology he/she adheres to. If the ideology calls for destruction, oppression, and cruelty, these very traits will manifest in that individual. In the same vein, our understanding of how close we were to disaster under Nehru should, I think, be viewed from the perspective of the ideology he espoused. If he was just a misguided Communist/Socialist, and realized the fact, there is scope for correction. If however, he consistently insisted that Stalin was a “great warrior,” and apologized–and defended–for his (Stalin’s) purges, and other Soviet evils, we can only conclude that it is because that he is an ardent Communist, he condones these evils, and consequently brought India on the brink of disaster.
PS: I reckon this might spark a discussion, so I’ve added this entry to the Discussions category.
Tags: Discussions, Indian Politics, Society & Culture
I don’t really disagree with what you are saying of course… We agree on what the facts were, and we agree in our evaluation of Nehru, so the dispute is just over what to call him. Not a big thing.
But your previous post brought home some points to me. I mean:
1) Nehru’s policies were failing in his lifetime, and he knew it.
2) Given his beliefs, he would have ascribed it to the fact that he wasn’t “fully” following socialism.
3) He was frustrated.
4) He had a soft corner for Indian commies, Communist China and Soviet Russia. It is in fact more accurate to say that he saw their policies as state-of-the-art policies which he was imperfectly implementing. His profound regret was that he could not actually go all the way for whatever reason.
Now given these undisputed facts, I am wondering, how close was he to flipping?
1) If he had the personality of his daughter, how different would things have been?
2) Or was it Gandhiji’s influence (as Sameer says on my site) that stopped him?
3) Or was it some kind of innate respect for democracy?
I don’t know what stopped him, but it occurs to me that if things were even slightly different, our story would have followed that of Zimbabwe or Cambodia.
What really bugs me is that when people talk of Nehru’s “respect for democracy”, this is what they mean. Not that he had any sense of the institutions that were needed to build a free society, but that we are lucky that he didn’t turn out to be a dictator like Mugabe or Pol Pot.
I guess it was the inherent ‘ungovernability’ of the fledgling but huge nation that saved us.
Apropos to Ravi!
>I am wondering, how close was he to flipping? If he had the personality of his daughter, how different would things have been?
To make my point more forcefully, he HAD flipped, albeit not in Pol Pot’s/Stalin’s manner. But in his patent way. If we look at much of the rot in EVERY institution in India today, its genesis can be traced back to Chachaji. As Philip Spratt an ex-commie says in the book’s foreword, he was astounded by Nehru’s tolerance for corruption in public life. Also notice the way Nehru regarded India not as a nation that has an unbroken civilizational continuity, but as a “newly-born” nation, which had some undesirable elements that had to be eradicated. Methinks, fundamentally, his perception was flawed. Secondly, he was an imbecile who happened to become the PM of India. What happens when retards occupy such a position: the answer lies in front of us.
HIs daughter’s personality was slightly different: she was a greater megalomaniac than her dad. Addicted to power at any cost. Can you tell me a single instance where she has expressed a clear ideology to which she was prepared to–so to speak, die for?
Gandhiji’s influence? Heaven forbid! Nehru used Gandhi as a means to get to power. If Nehru was the stalwart his adherents claim to be, why didn’t he try and prevent partition? Why did he refuse Gandhi’s offer to make Jinnah the PM if India was not partitioned? And why, when 47 out of 49 provinces (the numbers maybe wrong, but the difference of 2 is correct) voted for Sardar Patel as the PM, did Nehru rush to Gandhi and beg for the Prime Ministership? In each of these instances, can anybody show me one example which emulated the ideals Gandhi preached and practised? Sacrifice? Non-violence? Courage in adversity?
I can’t go into complete detail here, but I recommend you read the book. It more than clearly shows his stand on democracy. One line from the USSR on the lines of, “Nehru is a running dog of imperialism” was enough to send him into a fit of apology, appeasement and anger against the “imperialists.”
PS: I see that the discussion has shifted to Ravi’s blog.
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