Thoughts on the Caste System

Jaffna at Secular Right muses on a “radical reinterpretation” of Hinduism and the caste system. In a sentence, the gist of his thoughts: Hinduism has never condemned a truly spiritual person on the basis of caste. The people he cites–from Valmiki right up to Thiruvallavur, all from the lower castes lived such noble lives and for that reason are revered even now. In his words:

Hinduism cannot be reduced to a mere caste-centered tradition as it goes on to include a sense of the aesthetic, a method of statecraft and an approach to the secular.


Practised in its purest form, the caste system is really one of the best forms of social organization. The way it is practised today shows it in its most degenerate form, and is therefore despicable. This shouldn’t prevent us from examining its role in sustaining societal harmony in the past.

The four castes were never watertight compartments–people of the “upper castes” were free to assume the duties and lifestyles of the “lower castes” and vice versa. A careful reading of the society during the Mahabharata times reveals that caste was decided based on inclination, taste, temperament and occupation. Logically, if a person born into a specific caste changed his temperament/occupation, he was free to adopt the lifestyle of another caste. A verse in the Mahabharata says this: from the perspective of occupation, a man’s birth is important, from the perspective of achivement, character is important. Character therefore decides caste.

Organizing society on the basis of occupation/temperament is also rooted in reality. Broadly, we have people who dedicate their lives to acquire knowledge (scientists/researchers), others to rule/lead people, yet others to make money, and still others who are content being employed in the service of any (or all?) of the preceding three categories of people. There you have, the four castes. This system provides a means for survival and improvement to everyone in the society with little or no scope for conflict. The scope for disparity–economic or social–is almost nil in such a system. The caste system thus was based on cooperation not competition; in the latter, victory is always at the cost of another person/organization.

The caste system–indeed, the central tenets of Hinduism are based on the concept of rta; loosely translated this means the “cosmic order.” Here’s an evocative explanation of Rta which states that the:

… universe is not conceived as a haphazard mass of elements and events, but is an ordered whole, in which each part inheres the whole and the whole is balanced by its parts. The ordering principle of nature, the inflexible law of harmony, the universal cosmic flow which gives to everything from the vast galaxies, down to the nucleus of an atom, their nature and course, is Rta.

Ancient Indian sages are worshipped even today because they discovered the principles of rta and applied it in almost all spheres of (human) life. Rta is the cause for the fabled Hindu “tolerance” (a weak word for Sarvadharma Samabhava). Rta is the reason why despite a multitude of warring kings, the same Gods, the same rituals, worship, etc was preserved for hundreds of years throughout India.

The caste system is definitely one of the central facets of Hinduism. The point is not to feel apologetic about it. It worked brilliantly at a different time; it might work even in our time with necessary reform, or it might not work at all. In which case it probably is good to discard it. While we are at it, isn’t it worth pondering that never in Hinduism’s history have so many castes existed as now?

I have a bone to pick with Jaffna’s otherwise insightful article.

Upanishads question ritual and ceremony. These texts emphasize reason as against priest craft. One Upanishad likens the chants of the priests to frogs croaking in twilight…

This is true but Jaffna’s context is misplaced. The Upanishads’ questioning of ritual and ceremony is at a different level. In fact, some Upanishads emphatically prescribe and endorse ritual and ceremony. Shikshavalli in the Taittriya Upanishad says,

…speak the truth (satyam vada); follow dharma (dharmam chara); from study swerve thou not. Having offered dear wealth to the teacher cut thou not the progeny’s line. From the true it will not do to swerve, nor from Dharma nor from welfare. Neither will it do to swerve from well being, nor from study and teaching, nor from duties to Devas and Pitrs (ancestors).

The Upanishads recommend doing away with ritual and ceremony to a person who has transcended them, moved beyond needing them. Rituals are the necessary tools/aids to attaining enlightenment. Once you’re there, you simply cast them away; like a swimmer who first learns using floating aids and then casts them away.

124 comments for “Thoughts on the Caste System

  1. cutie
    July 7, 2014 at 6:25 PM

    “The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.”

  2. cutie
    June 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

    You cannot put people in high and low rank the basis of religious belief and caste. But those people do this who has a problem in their mind.

  3. cutie
    June 21, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Who divided society in caste line……only stupid and mentally sick hindu..first change your thinking that all people as a human being so the system ll be change itself understood..be like sindhi religion, make one religion and killed the bloody varan system n caste system…you ll b more happiest person in this world if you all mad hindu change ur narrow minded thinking about these caste n class…Because “I believe in recognizing every human being as a human being–neither white, black, brown, or red; and when you are dealing with humanity as a family there’s no question of integration or intermarriage. It’s just one human being marrying another human being or one human being living around and with another human being.”

  4. cutie
    June 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    All Hindu communities in the country follow the varnashram system of Aryans and have divided the society in four castes – Kshatryas, Brahmins, Vaishyas and Shudras. Sindhis do not have such division in their society. They never followed a rigid caste system. That is why Sindhis are considered to be only businessmen. All members of the society inter-mingle with one another without any consideration of four castes of Aryans. There are no untouchables in Sindhis…..these religion and caste set up by mad and stupid people to control others not by god…who are still mentally sick they are following this castesim blindly..i must say be like all sindhi…tum hindu logo se toh yeh sindhi soh guna ache or intelligent hai..jo jante hai society ko ek kar ke kaise rakhna hai..

    • Sujith
      June 21, 2014 at 6:35 AM

      Sorry to say – but the understanding of the Indian society or the methods seem to be only a hearsay of the deliberate story of Indian past created by British, which unfortunately was continued to be taught in our schools / colleges as absolute truth after our independence. More damage has been done to our understanding of Indian past / societal norms by the post independence brigade of such Indian born “scholars” who were at the helm who ‘decided’ what is to be learnt.

      The debunking of Aryan / Brahmanical theories as propounded till recently – has been reluctantly / very late for any scholarly standards – and grudgingly accepted by their very own masters and ardent followers. The very basics of the society which had remained so strong till now have been slowly making its mark again with fresh perspectives and clearing of misunderstandings – classic example of what is seen in the post here.

      A deeper look in will surprise even the staunchest critic to accept that there is more to be learnt and definitely worth a relook from the (recent) past theories which have clouded most of our perceptions and start appreciating the oldest living tradition for the mankind.

      • cutie
        July 7, 2014 at 6:26 PM

        Be a nice human being is important not to have a good or high religion and caste.We need to work towards uniting the nation instead of splitting it. Work towards a society in which there will be no lower castes and no upper castes. We need to respect the way people live instead of looking at where they were born.

  5. karan
    May 4, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    Reservation for the economically backward students of upper caste society of India in the higher education system SHOULD BE PROVIDED on lines similar to the reservations provided to SC/ST/OBC sections of the society.
    This will provide equal opportunities and a level playing ground for the economically weaker sections of the upper caste to come up the socio-economic ladder.
    The honorable government SHOULD provide the proposed reservation based on the percentage of upper caste in the Indian society. The honorable government SHOULD apply the same yard sticks in terms of merit to this proposed reservation as is currently applicable to SC/ST/OBC reservations.

    Currently, there are many cases where people of the upper caste are obtaining fake caste certificates which certify them to as SC/ST/OBC, just to reap the benefits of reservations applicable to SC/ST/OBC. Usually such illegal means are adopted by those belonging to economically weaker sections of the upper caste. The proposed reservation will address this issue there by ensuring that true SC/ST/OBC gets their quota and also ensure that there is no social injustice done to economically weaker sections of the upper caste.

    The proposed reservation will also eliminate the negative feeling in the minds of upper caste that their present generation is being unnecessarily victimized for the atrocities committed by their ancestors. The proposed reservation will thus ensure that the cycle of animosity does not repeat where the concerned sections of the society have now reversed their roles.

    The proposed reservation will also eliminate the feeling that the political parties are playing vote bank politics. The implementation of the proposed reservation ensures that the political parties are equally concerned about all sections of the society.

    The proposed reservation will also put an end to the anti-quota protests since a greater percentage of the anti-quota Protestants are those belonging to the economically weaker sections of the upper caste society.

    The proposed reservation will also put an end to the feeling in the upper caste that the reservations are eating away into their share of available seats.

    The government SHOULD later scrap this reservation along with all other caste based reservations when the honorable parliament decides to do so in the future, once it is established that social justice has been established in the Indian Society.

  6. karan
    May 3, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    The power of almighty are belong to Reserved category… most of these UPPER caste people population go to abroad have good percent bt when they dont get any good jobs after 5 or 6 year then they decided to leave this own country but they are well settle there as doctor,engineer,lawyer n businessman..

    • cutie
      May 3, 2014 at 6:47 PM

      lol….well done copy paste….i knew it all katar hindu cant face the truth…..All katar hindu not living in abroad they are in poltics earning money….like bjp parties,,,,,baba rammdev…baba assaram….usko baba bolna god bolna god ki insult krna hai actaully he is devil..umma bharti..in sports area all are brahmin n khatri aerning big ammount…in film industries all are brahmin n khatri still living in own india n earning big ammount n how cud u forget about tellywood there are almost brahmin n khatri n bengali working there….or jitna hindu religion ki three community ka haq banta hai iss india pr utna hi hindu religion ki forth community par bhi haq banta hai okh…but they left their country bcoz of some mad n stupid people they left their country for their self respect….they proved it they are not beggar like you for government jobs…woh government ke peeche nhi bhagte hai ya marte hai isko lene ke liye actaul mein tum sbhi katar log mar rahe ho or jo le hi nhi sakta woh dusre ko dekh ke jealous feel krta hai arre tum log toh paiso ke liye apno tak ka gala kat dete ho mar dalte ho fir forth community ka acha kyun sochne lage..always itna ganda bolte ho itni hi self respect hai fir marks le ke dikhao wo lete hai ache marks tumhare jaiso ka muh thodne ke liye…then u say kyun reservation ke base pr jobs lete hai aisa na kre general ban ke hi le jobs toh other community ka kya hoga…they think of you bt u never ever think of them or kbi sochoge bhi nhi… god se yehi pray krti hun jin logo ko castesim se rservation or intercaste marriage bahut hi jayad problems hai or jo itni ghatiya soch rakhte hai….usee god jaldhi utha le unhe jaldhi death mile…..india narak bana pada hai logo ki choti soch ki wajah se tum log kbi nhi sudhrne wale ho but agar aise ghatiya log jaldhi mar jayenge tb india ki kuch hope ki ja sakti hai ki woh sawarg ban sake…mr karan…but u all katar hindu ll never ever be change..keep your small n cheap thinking with you..we all just dont need it..

      • karan
        May 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM

        @cutie
        Keep your small n cheap thinking with you…..AND FINALLY MULTIMILLIONAIRE (SO CALLED) LOWER CAST HINDU KEEP THEMSELVES OUT FROM RESERVATION POLICY….MY SOME FRIEND OF LOWER CAST HINDU ARE NOW STARTING TO DO SO…..AND THEY ARE NOW ADVOCATING FOR UPPER CAST HINDU OF LOWER INCOME GROUP.
        NOW ,THIS IS BECOME AN AGENDA OF BAHUJAN SAMAJ PARTY(BSP) DOMINATED BY . (SO CALLED) LOWER CAST HINDU.
        So,keep your small n cheap thinking with you…

        • cutie
          May 3, 2014 at 9:31 PM

          In ur small mind n all katar hindu small mind they just want only they have right to educate themselves, have right to do govt jobs n live luxuries life right n lower caste people dont have to get education,get jobs n live good life…unko tum bas marte huye rote huye or poverty mein hi dekhna chahte ho…jb par apka haq ho education par jobs par busniness par god par poltics par sb apke accordingly chale india ka system bhi apki wahaj se chale right…or tum previous time se jaise forth community ko behave krte aaye the ho waise krte raho fir se…sc/st mare bhuke unko education se door rakho jobs se door rakho unki life mein problems create krte raho unko disrespect krte raho unko neecha dikhate raho..bahut khushi milti hai na mr karan keep doing this maar hi dalo lower caste ke logo ko sb khatam ho jayega sari problems hi khatam..now happy….this india for u only for katar hindu…baki sb bahar chale jayo nikal do sabko bahar…happy karan…nobody can make me quiet…sb muje hi support krenge i m sure agr aaj tumhare jaiso ko negative logo ki soc ko saath diya toh sb clear hai ki india nhi chahta ki woh bhi develop ho iss castesim se bahar aaye..true human being bane or true indian bane…mein sbhi ke liye soch rahi hun…not like you oke jo one side soche…i m fighter n i ll fight for right people n right things..

          • karan
            May 4, 2014 at 11:25 AM

            “Moreover, subjecting the matter of reservation, I would like to inform “upper caste” people also that our party is in the favor of providing separate reservation to poor people from these classes too. But this will be powered by the “central” government through making some change in the constitution of India. Hence, the government of our party has written letter to the government of India for so many times to provide separate reservation to these classes on economical basis. But no government of any party has accepted our recommendation till date. But concerning this, I want to assure the people from “upper castes” that the day, when the central government of our party is formed like Uttar Pradesh, the government of our party would set meaningful efforts to remove poverty and unemployment from these classes too by providing reservation. And you people already know the fact about the working style of our party that our party materializes whatever it says, means there is no difference in the saying and doing of our party”

            -Chairperson Ms.Mayawati of The Bahujan Samaj Party popularly known as BSP (a national political party in India. It was formed mainly to represent Bahujans (literally meaning “People in majority”), referring to people from the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Other Backward Castes (OBC) as well as minorities. The party claims to be inspired by the philosophy of B. R. Ambedkar. The BSP was founded by a Dalit charismatic leader Kanshi Ram in 1984, who was succeeded by Mayawati in 2003. The party’s political symbol is an Elephant. In the 15th Lok Sabha the party has 21 members, making it the 4th-largest party).

            So,happy cutie…nobody can make me quiet…sb muje hi support krenge i m sure agr aaj tumhare jaiso ko negative logo ki soc ko saath diya toh sb clear hai ki india nhi chahta ki woh bhi develop ho iss castesim se bahar aaye..true human being bane or true indian bane…mein sbhi ke liye soch raha hun…not like you oke jo one side soche…i m fighter n i ll fight for right people n right things..

          • cutie
            May 4, 2014 at 12:29 PM

            karan what classes n what community why not saying we all are hindu…hum sb log…hum sabhi hindu jisse mein sabhi char community aati hai…un char community mein sabse pehle poor logo ki condition ko sudharne unhe educate hone ka moka milega jobs di jayengi…aise kyun nhi bolte ho…upper caste upper caste or lower caste kya laga rakha hai…kisne dekhi hai yeh castes or classes kine banai hai god ne banai hai nhi hum mad or stupid logo ki wajah se bani hai..sb tab theek hoga jisn din tum katar logo ke muh se shudra hamare hi hindu log hai hmare hi religion ka ek part hai…jb marriages ke liye charo community mein se life partner choose krne ka right hoga logo ke paas ok..koi kisi ko chota bada nhi manega na disrespect karega sb equal hai…we are true human being then say we are porud to be called as hindu rather then called to be as brahmin,kshtriya,vaishya,shudra okh…i will fight for right things understood..tum kon hote ho kisi ki class decide krne wale…sbhi community ke log apni capability ke aadhar par hi apna profession apna sakte hai or jisse mein interest ho woho work kre..tum kon hote ho bolne wale yeh community yeh kam kregi dusri yeh…no sabhi community ko right hai ek dusre ke work ko sikhne or apnane ka bina kisi rok tok ke..

        • cutie
          June 19, 2014 at 4:43 PM

          All Hindu communities in the country follow the varnashram system of Aryans and have divided the society in four castes – Kshatryas, Brahmins, Vaishyas and Shudras. Sindhis do not have such division in their society. They never followed a rigid caste system. That is why Sindhis are considered to be only businessmen. All members of the society inter-mingle with one another without any consideration of four castes of Aryans. There are no untouchables in Sindhis…..these religion and caste set up by mad and stupid people not by god…who are still mentally sick they are following this castesim blindly..i must say be like all sindhi…tum hindu logo se toh yeh sindhi soh guna ache or intelligent hai..jo jante hai society ko ek kar ke kaise rakhna hai..na ki kisi ko high or low rank mein rakh kar faltu ki tension badana or burai felana….religion ek hi rakh ke chalo kbi usko four communities or class mein devide mat kro or life ko or hell mat banao..

      • cutie
        June 11, 2014 at 10:08 PM

        tum kon hote ho kisi ko high or low caste ke rank mein rakhne wale…sbhi hindu hi hai or apne karam se high or low khudh ko banate hai samjhe…

  7. karan
    May 3, 2014 at 8:52 AM

    There is no such thing as Brahminism. There is only the pernicious, brutal creed of Churchism that is based on an ancient hoax. Every ideology that originated from barren lands lying to the West of India — Islam, Xianity, Communism — is soaked in human blood. These races had no tradition or training in spirituality. All they could invent in its name were these monsters.

    Churchism is propagated by a self-perpetuating, self-aggrandizing organisation called the Church which is strictly controlled by the White man. It has amassed billions of dollars in the Vatican bank and its officials now go around in private jets, investing the money in stock markets for profit. The Church is a money-making criminal enterprise run by a closed gang of Whites. It is capable of inflicting horrifying brutality on Christians themselves, as evident by the Inquisition. It is held temporarily in check because since 19th century, governments of Christian countries no longer cooperate with it and provide their soldiers to torture their own citizens in the name of the “Lord.”

    Christianity is an intolerant creed that does not recognise the right of any other faith to exist. You are simply asking Hindus to be tolerant with the intolerant. Anything that claims “our god is true, your god is false” and “my way or the highway” and “I am saved, you are doomed” is an enemy of humanity. It is the duty of every right-thinking person to thwart these ideologies which have caused so much death and destruction to the world through their brainwashed, zombie-like followers who can go on a killing spree at a moment’s notice.

    Brown Indians like you are merely useful idiots for the Whites and their Church. Xianity is nothing but a tool to promote white man’s culture and hegemony in other lands. That is why, my friend, the pope will always be a White man while you black and brown fools will only get to carry White man’s names for yourself and your children. You will merely be the foot-soldiers collecting tithe and sending it to White man’s coffers and helping the Whites subdue your own lands.

    It is pathetic to see you brown converts take pride in your own slavery to an artificial creed solely invented and propagated by the Whites to plant the flag of their race around the whole world and impose their superiority on other races. You are merely carrying the flag of the White race and fighting battles with your own countrymen on its behalf. It is a perfect example of social engineering.

    • cutie
      May 4, 2014 at 12:18 PM

      tum sirf one side soch rahe ho yeh bol kar baar baar upper caste upper caste…hum upper caste log pehle educate honge hum upper caste log jobs krenge sbhi government job ki facility hamare liye bani hui hai…hum upper caste decide krenge ki castesim rahe india mein khatam nhi hone denge hum upper caste log lower caste ke logo jeene nhi denge hum upper caste ke log yeh dayahn rakhenge ki lower caste wale kbi educate na ho paye hum upper caste wale inhe government nahi krne denge…hum upper caste ke logo ka raaj chalega hum waise hi inke saath behave krenge jb hum upper caste ke log angrezon ke gulaam the aaj hum upper caste sabse upar honge or lower caste ko apna slave (daas) bana ke rakhenge….karan yeh hai tum katar logo ki soch or strategy….gala kato apne logo ka….mein upper or lower caste ka deifference mita rahi hun okh or tum katar hindu ki sui atki hai rservation par jb yeh bandh hogi tab hi castesim khatam hogi…or reservation abhi hai bcoz abhi tum ek hi community ka bhala sochte ho sirf apane bare mein sochte ho like BJP…sabhi patries corrupt hai..reservation jis din bandh hogi us din katar hindu ka asli roop bhi dekh lena yeh gande log india ko narak mein daal rahe hai or dalte rahenge….samjhe tum reserbvation tb rahe i wish jb tak tum log sabhi four community ko hindu na maan lo sabko ek leve ki respect na de do…samjhe…yeh hai kata hindu logo ki soch i m hindu but not katar hindu….mein logo ke mind padd sakti hun or tera mind bakhubi pad chuki hun…u keep doing fight with ur own people okh…tumhara haq cheen rahe hai na tum kata hindu kal bhi dabe huye logo ka or kamzor logo ke saath bura krte aaye ho toh aage kya acha soch loge…tumeh kya lgta hai reservation bandh hote hi castesim bandh inter caste marriage hni shuru ho jayegi nhi…jitni kal ego thi usse jayada ego badne wali hai tum logo ki kal bhi arrogant the aa bhi ho or hamesha rahoge..god are watching u n ll soon send u in hell…all katar hindu..

      • karan
        May 4, 2014 at 5:36 PM

        @cutie
        Rservation jab bandh hogi tab hi castesim khatam hogi…well said

        • cutie
          May 6, 2014 at 4:18 PM

          Reservation tab tak rahe jab tak katar hindu casesm khatam hone ka prove na de dein….or yeh tab hoga jab sabhi log intercaste marriage ko accept karenge pure dil se….sabhi community ko general or sc na keh kar hindu accept kare…kisi ko bhi high or low rank mein na rakha jaye okh…mr katar hindu karan…prove it u dont believe in castesim tum sabhi logo ka bhala sochte hao sabko ek nazar se dekhte ho prove kro…meri family ne toh kar diya…hamari family mein four community ke ladke or ladkiyan shadi krke aaye hai or dusre religion ke log bhi like sikh,christian n muslim…bcoz we believe in humanity not in religion n castes okh..

      • karan
        May 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM

        @cutie the baptist
        Who you are to send someone in hell???

        • cutie
          May 6, 2014 at 4:12 PM

          bcoz all kata hindu should be go there…n deserve that place..

          • cutie
            May 6, 2014 at 4:13 PM

            bcoz all katar hindu should be go there…n deserve that place..

          • hari
            July 2, 2014 at 9:09 PM

            @cutie
            IT IS NOT KATA HINDU BUT KATTAR (a fanatic is one who cant change his mind and wont change the subject)HINDU.

          • karan
            July 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM

            @cutie the baptist
            I AM NEITHER KATA (God knows what is its meaning) HINDU NOR KATTAR (a fanatic is one who cant change his mind and wont change the subject)HINDU.

      • karan
        May 4, 2014 at 6:10 PM

        @cutie the baptist
        We will review the reservation policy ,which is being exercised from 67 years. Amendment would be carried out near future.We have changed 120 year old Land acquisition act which had been exercised from 1895 This year the new Land acquisition act 2014 has been replaced the old law.
        As the ground reality is changing so every law & act should be reviewed after a period of time.

  8. karan
    May 2, 2014 at 8:07 PM

    Brahmin and Kshatriya communities lived for the common good and focused their energies and intellects to bring about common good. In return, the rest of the society took care of their needs by providing for them by giving what is surplus in the society. Kshatriyas served as to how modern Governments serve. Brahmins focused on Spiritual and religious aspects, and also served as advisors to Kshatriyas. The traditional functions of various people served the Indian society well. The problems started after Indian kingdoms fell to the invaders and the nobility, for most part, was usurped by the invading classes. Both Brahmins and Kshatriyas had to compromise. Several converted, inter-married, learned new languages, and trades and adapted to the new Order. The emerging competition perhaps forced Brahmins to insulate themselves and became more secretive. This secretiveness perhaps was at the root of many superstitions.
    About Women: If you lose women, as they are the source of the next generation, you lose your community. Brahmins have been over protective of their women for this reason and must have imposed a lot of restrictions through the ages. However, due to the new found freedom in a democratic polity, some women may be rebelling.

    • cutie
      May 3, 2014 at 12:00 PM

      Hindu religion devided into four community..but again I m saying to all stupid people who living in india..caste and community only created by mentally sick people and who follow them they have something problem in their mind.four community name are Brahmin, kshatriya,vaishya,shurda. And its surprising we all India dnt know the exactly meaning of these four words..let me explain to you..brahmin means not that who born in high class..koi janam se uncha or nicha nhi hota hai.brahmin mean jo god ko janta hai usko apne samne dekha ho jisse brahma ka pata ho or apne acche karam se jana jaye na ki apni jaat se..agr Brahmin hone pr insaan ke karam gandhe hai toh who insaan ashudh mana jata hai who pavitr aatma nhi hoti hai…Kshatriya ka matlb hota hai weh yodha jo mantvta ki raksha hetu apne angg angg ko katva de..samksh praniyon ki raksha ke liye apni jaan kurbaan kr de or apne karam pr ghamand na dikhaye..Vaishya who hote hai jo apne kaam mein emaan dikhaye koi chori chakari na kre..apne kaam ko galat tareeqe se na kre..emaan (mehnat) ki kamai ko khaye haraam ki kamai ko haath na lagaye..Shudra ka matlb hota hai shudh or pavitr aatma….jis bande ke ander koi moh, maya, krodh or ahnkaar tak nhi hai jiska aacharn shudh ho or karam shudh ho wohi sacha shudra hai..jo apne karam par purn vishwaas rakhe…jiske karam ache nhi man mein ahnkaar hai who shudra nhi mana ja sakta hai..agr tum log shudra ko pero ka sathaan dete ko toh or unhe neecha mante ho toh kanjke pujna bandh kr do unke peron (feet) ko dohna unki puja krna bandh kr do..kisi devi devta ke mandir ja kr natmastak na ho or apne mata pita ke peron ko choo ke ashiwadh lena bandh kr do..

    • cutie
      May 3, 2014 at 9:33 PM

      jaati na pucho sadhu ki puch lijiye gyan
      mol karo talwaar ka pada rehn do myan.( talwaar ka kavch)

    • cutie
      May 6, 2014 at 4:22 PM

      aaj tumhare jaise logo ki wajah se hindu ki forth community kbi bhi respcet ke saath ussi mein na milai gai na shamil ki gai…aaj tumhare jaise logo ki wajah se woh lag sb thak jate hai tumhare jaise logo ki galat thinking ko sahi karne mein tb wohi hindu jinko tumhi logo ne lower mein rakha ganda behave kiya unhi logo ko apne hi religion se alag ho kar dukhi ho kar ya toh muslim ya christian ya budhist banna pada…now happy karan…aaj yeh ter se sawal puchti hun jawab de muhe karan when u become father n god give you four sons…now see karan as father( hindu) your sons: 1son (brahmin), 2 son( kshtriya), 3 son( vaishya), 4 son ( shudra)…..kya tum apne forth son ka baki teen son se yeh keh kr alag rakhoge ki woh last mein aaya hai duniya mein tum log high ho woh lower hai tum teeno ko mein well educate karunga or good jobs milegi n forth ko ek servant bana ke rakhoge…kbse sirf chota ya difference mitane ki koshish mein lagi hun ek hindu ho kar bhi or tum kya kr rahe ho isse aur bada rahe ho…socho jin teen baito educate kiya wohi tumhe old age mein chod ke apni life settle kr le then yeh forth son jiske saath tumne justice nahi kiya nafrat ki usne hi old age mein tumhe sambhle…tab god kya face kroge or uss bache ko jiska future tumne andhere mein rakha bcoz woh last mein aaya..agr apne forth bete ke saath na tum bura hote dekh sakte ho or uski life ko spoil kr sakte ho na usko lower bol kr gali de sakte ho toh fir kiya shudra se itni nafrat hai tumhe…..karan…i really really hurt by your all comments..dude you are going wrong way…n tell me maine kb kaha ki sb kuch shudra ko de do education n jobs…sb equal tabhi hoga jab hum equal honge apne dimaag se ghatiya soch nikal denge…just for while think like a father..agr tum aone charo beto ko equally treat krna passand kroge toh fir hindu religion ki forth community ko bhi aise treat kro….mera purpose kisi bhi high or low caste ko girana nhi hai bas jo soch paal rakhi hai usse change krna chahti…life ek hi hai kya sari zindgi iss castesim ke jaal mein fa kr hi katni hai…ek insaan kabse aap sabko samjha raha hai ki insaan apne karam se hi high or lower banta hai…or ek baat karan…agr tumhara forth number wala beta study mein thoda weak hai but after with ur guidance n help he got good marks than their brother..this things is good for you or bad…or iske ulta hi maan kr chalo jin bade bacho ko tumne educate kiya unki knowledge us forth number ke bache se kam hui woh jayada intelligent hua toh kya uska gala daba doge…yeh ek story hai…sitaram english story hai must read dear…kis tarah ek brahmin ek chote bache ki help ki but other brahmin kaise uske againts hote hai…n at the end us bache ko hi mar diya jata hai bt uska brahmin teacher usse bahut payr krta tha isliye woh apna jenau thod kr lower caste mein chala jata hai..bcoz usne galat ke liye aawaaz uthai..

  9. som
    May 2, 2014 at 1:28 PM

    In 1991 Congress government headed by Narasimha Rao introduced 10% separate reservation for poor among forward castes.

    In 2003 BJP government appointed a group of Ministers for suggesting measures for implementation of separate reservation for poor among forward castes.

    In 2004 Task force has been set up to work out modalities for providing reservations to Poor among forward castes.No information available regarding report submitted by this task force.

    In 200 Present Congress Government appointed commission to study separate reservation for economically backward castes.

    In 2006 Communist government in Kerala earmarked 12% seats in private professional colleges for economically poor among forward castes.

  10. karan
    May 2, 2014 at 1:14 PM

    The NON RESERVED caste communities feel discriminated by the government policy to reserve positions for the Backward Classes. In many cases a large number of high caste members compete for a few places reserved for them. While the Backward Classes members do not have to compete at all because of the large number of reserved places for them compared to the candidates. Sometimes in order to fill the quota, candidates from the lower classes are accepted even though they are not suitable. Sometimes some reserved positions remain unmanned because there were few candidates from the lower classes causing more tension between the castes. Between the lower castes there are also tensions over reservation.

    • som
      May 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM

      The caste identity has become a subject of political, social and legal interpretation. Communities who get listed as entitled for positive discrimination do not get out of this list even if their social and political conditions get better. In many cases the legal system is involved to decide if a certain person is entitled for positive discrimination.

    • cutie
      May 3, 2014 at 12:09 PM

      Then how do you feel karan feeling very bad by discriminating by government the same happened to others people dear they also felt vey bad n still feeling bad bcoz you are hating more n jealous bcoz which help you have to do for your own brotherhood that helping they getting from goverment just bcoz of nice person fought for their right Dr.B.R.A.Ambedarkar who killed by a brahmin lady who was his wife….yeh reserved position category tum hi logo ne create ki hai na fir bhukto inn sbko kyun ro rahe ho…mat krte devision bahut shonk tha na rank banane ka high or low ka…koi caste ya religion se high or low nhi banta hai mr karan apne behavior or ache karam se banta hai…high caste people pehle se hi bahut rich hai aaj agr poverty dekh arhe hai gine hunne log toh unhe bhi pata chalne do jb lower ne yeh sb starting se dekha tha or dekh rahe hai ab bhi kuch log toh unhe kaisa mehsoos ho raha tha….jis bhi hindu se pucho kisi bhi ek hindu ne mere jaisa jawab nhi diya ki fault hamari hai hamari ghatiya soch ki bas blame lower ko diye ja rahe ho what a shameless person you all are..yes they using reservation postion they will use kyun na kare jinko zarurat hai woh krenge bcoz unke paas tumhare jaisi option nhi hai na high caste or na sifaarish understood..

      • karan
        May 3, 2014 at 6:02 PM

        @cutie
        Dr.B.R.A.Ambedarkar killed by a brahmin lady who was his wife???
        DO NOT SPREAD LIES.
        Since 1954-55 Ambedkar was suffering from serious health problems including diabetes and weak eyesight.
        On 6 December, 1956 he died at his home in Delhi.
        SO………………DO NOT SPREAD LIES.

        • cutie
          May 3, 2014 at 6:57 PM

          I never ever spread any wrong n lies information to my own people okh…A brahmin lady savita killed Dr.B.R.Ambedakar she belong to sarswat brahmin caste okh…A brahmin man nathu ram godse killed gandhi ji….kya yeh bhi jhoot hai dear yeh sach isliye hai bcoz yeh incident sabki ankho ke samne hua tha or dusra incident jhoot isliye maan rahe ho bcoz woh aap logo ki ankho ke samne nhi hua…oh god…how diplomatic you can be…general kre kand toh hota hai ji bt sc kare toh nki toh jaat hi aisi hai yeh aise hi hote hai wow…hum khudh ko protect kr lenge kaise bhi krke galat ho kar bhi but dusre ko sahi hookar bhi galat hi prove krna hai just bcoz they are sc right..

          • dalit
            May 3, 2014 at 8:17 PM

            Babsaheb can never be wrong. There is a message in each and every action of his life. Babasaheb by Marrying the doctor brahmin Mai Ambedkar has shown us that even women in Brahmin community is oppressed and the only way they can be saved is to get them out of their jati. Brahmin women are also Dalits in a way. Brahmin women are the biggest victim of Brahmin conspiracy. Manu treats women like filth, even brahmin woman. Out dalit women are much more free than the brahmins. They dont become untouchable during menstruation. They work in the fields and they cook.

            If you want to finish the brahmins then marry the Brahmin women

          • karan
            May 3, 2014 at 8:20 PM

            “Savitaji was the principal source of inspiration to a legendary personality like Babasaheb, who played a pivotal role in framing the Constitution of our country.

            “ She was a great social worker in her own right and remained dedicated to the task of upliftment of the weaker sections of society,”

        • cutie
          June 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM

          Sachin Salave said,
          April 2, 2008 @ 3:48 pm

          I need to share an interesting information with all of you participating in this discussion.
          During the General Election in Bhandara, Babasaheb had gone to preside over a meeting. One activist confronted Babasaheb and angrily asked him that why did he marry a brahmin woman. Babasaheb calmly asked him to meet him after the meeting. After the meeting Babasaheb said to him,” Go and give this messsage to my followers that they should not do this mistake.(i.e of marrying a Brahmin woman)”
          Circumstances that lead to his marriage must be understood before coming to any hasty conclusions.
          Firstly, in the mahar caste and in the untouchables in general, there was no education at all in those times. And to find a nurse or a doctor to take care of him throughout the day was impossible. So he had to marry. But it was impossible to find a doctor woman among our people. And Babasaheb had a plethora of ailments like bloodpressure, diabetes, bodypain etc. There was no one to take care of him after Maisaheb’s death. Babasaheb did not marry many years after Maisahebs death. He chose to remain single. But untimely hours of eating and constant pressure of his social activities made him excessively ill. He was almost blind in his later years. So his doctor Mr.Malwankar introduced Miss Savita kabir to him and she used to take care of him. Eventually they married. But Dr.Ambedkar married a Brahmin doctor so that he could be healthy and contribute more of his energy for the social movement.
          But his second wife did not take care of him at all. Dr. Krishnamurthy wrote a letter to Dr.Ambedkar saying that he was being tortured by his wife and she did not allow him to see Dr.Ambedkar. He wrote that as Dr.Ambedkar was doing a great service to the downtrodden people of India, he wanted to treat him and cure him and restore his health. But His wife prevented all this from happening.
          Even Dr.Bastein, a woman, was not allowed to see Dr.Ambedkar. Dr.Bastein wanted to check his health and prescribe some medicines for him. But she was not at all allowed to see the doctor.
          After Babasaheb’s death, his followers demanded a post-mortem. The post-mortem was done by the Nehru Govt. But the report was not made public.Still it has not been made public. This clearly proves that some thing was wrong.
          Just hours after the death of Dr.Ambedkar, his wife demanded that she should be made the National President of Scheduled Castes Federation and The Buddhist Society of India and all this should be done before Dr.Ambedkars dead body was cremated.
          All this is documented…..ab tumhara yeh bhai bhi lie bol raha hai kya?

    • cutie
      June 1, 2014 at 1:24 PM

      what is this backward class n low class…what is lower caste hindu…listen stupid n idiot katar hindu…first of all go n find out who made this stupid castesim..we all people always waste their time to talk about this castesim which is not totally meaningless.. what is this high caste hindu n low caste hindu…cnt u say that or accept that we all r hindu no one is high n lower….they r just hindu…nobody believe this stupid community n class…which is made by mad n stupid people..god cnt do this cheap thing their own people okh..god cnt be so narrow minded like u mr katar hindu karan…i m hindu bt not katar hindu…i m hindu but will never ever follow this four community okh…just do what ever u want to do…………..these caste or class systems are set up by man to control others and not by God. understood…so stop blindly follow this castesim…karan tum hindu ho isliye chilla rahe ho agr sc hote tb kya krte…tb tumhari awaaz nhi niklni thi..tb maybe tumhe realize hota ki castesim kitni galat hai ek insaan ki koi value nhi uski caste pata chalte hi uske liye tumhare jaiso ko un logo ko dekhne ka or judge krne ka nazariya hi badal jata hai…thank god mein tere jaisa nhi sochti okh….everyone actually everyone mad people like u just saying it stop reservation….not everyone saying just stop castesim ….then we ll think about of reservation okh…pehle ek ho jayo..be true indian n true one hindu who dont follow this stupid castesim n community…who dont ask people which community u r belong to….they r just hindu okh

  11. hari
    May 2, 2014 at 1:05 PM

    The percentage of SC, ST, OBC in government institutions is rising, today the total percentage of reserved category persons working in these institution is about 40%.
    The exploited non reserved (General) category persons who missed the opportunity because someone else has taken their place have become deprived and miserable in the poor economic conditions of India.

  12. shekhar
    May 2, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    People mainly the students of various education institutes protested against the Mandal Commission by blocking roads, highways, transportation services, government services, schools, and businesses. About 150 students attempted self-immolation throughout India.
    In the higher education institutes and government bodies reserved category people are given the relaxations, which results in admission of people who have lower aggregate percentage of marks both in academics and competitive exams.
    The financial and social status of the reserved category people has increased, and this is well supported by the government.

  13. karan
    May 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    SC/ST group is eagerly wooed by all Indian political parties, who want to be seen as the most ardent protectors of SC/ST interests.

    • shekhar
      May 2, 2014 at 12:54 PM

      @karan
      BUT in practice, out of 543 constituencies represented in India’s parliament,ONLY 84 (15.47%) are reserved for SC/Dalits and 47 (8.66%)for ST/Tribes.

    • cutie
      May 3, 2014 at 12:16 PM

      sc/st create krne wale kon hai jo log genral gategory pakad kr baithe hai ek hi category rakhte acha tha tum sbke liye…kya hindu,sikh,muslim n christian….waah! general mein hindu religion ki teen community ko jagah dene ke saath hi saath sikh or muslim ko beech mein add kr diya but jo tumhare apne hai forth community usko bahar kr diya…very good..woh bhi general hi hote aaj bt woh sc bane bcoz of you n your madness okh..so blame yourself n your small n cheap thinking always..

    • cutie
      May 3, 2014 at 10:04 PM

      aaj tumhare jaise logo ki wajah se hindu ki forth community kbi bhi respcet ke saath ussi mein na milai gai na shamil ki gai…aaj tumhare jaise logo ki wajah se woh lag sb thak jate hai tumhare jaise logo ki galat thinking ko sahi karne mein tb wohi hindu jinko tumhi logo ne lower mein rakha ganda behave kiya unhi logo ko apne hi religion se alag ho kar dukhi ho kar ya toh muslim ya christian ya budhist banna pada…now happy karan…aaj yeh ter se sawal puchti hun jawab de muhe karan when u become father n god give you four sons…now see karan as father( hindu) your sons: 1son (brahmin), 2 son( kshtriya), 3 son( vaishya), 4 son ( shudra)…..kya tum apne forth son ka baki teen son se yeh keh kr alag rakhoge ki woh last mein aaya hai duniya mein tum log high ho woh lower hai tum teeno ko mein well educate karunga or good jobs milegi n forth ko ek servant bana ke rakhoge…kbse sirf chota ya difference mitane ki koshish mein lagi hun ek hindu ho kar bhi or tum kya kr rahe ho isse aur bada rahe ho…socho jin teen baito educate kiya wohi tumhe old age mein chod ke apni life settle kr le then yeh forth son jiske saath tumne justice nahi kiya nafrat ki usne hi old age mein tumhe sambhle…tab god kya face kroge or uss bache ko jiska future tumne andhere mein rakha bcoz woh last mein aaya..agr apne forth bete ke saath na tum bura hote dekh sakte ho or uski life ko spoil kr sakte ho na usko lower bol kr gali de sakte ho toh fir kiya shudra se itni nafrat hai tumhe…..karan…i really really hurt by your all comments..dude you are going wrong way…n tell me maine kb kaha ki sb kuch shudra ko de do education n jobs…sb equal tabhi hoga jab hum equal honge apne dimaag se ghatiya soch nikal denge…just for while think like a father..agr tum aone charo beto ko equally treat krna passand kroge toh fir hindu religion ki forth community ko bhi aise treat kro….mera purpose kisi bhi high or low caste ko girana nhi hai bas jo soch paal rakhi hai usse change krna chahti…life ek hi hai kya sari zindgi iss castesim ke jaal mein fa kr hi katni hai…ek insaan kabse aap sabko samjha raha hai ki insaan apne karam se hi high or lower banta hai…or ek baat karan…agr tumhara forth number wala beta study mein thoda weak hai but after with ur guidance n help he got good marks than their brother..this things is good for you or bad…or iske ulta hi maan kr chalo jin bade bacho ko tumne educate kiya unki knowledge us forth number ke bache se kam hui woh jayada intelligent hua toh kya uska gala daba doge…yeh ek story hai…sitaram english story hai must read dear…kis tarah ek brahmin ek chote bache ki help ki but other brahmin kaise uske againts hote hai…n at the end us bache ko hi mar diya jata hai bt uska brahmin teacher usse bahut payr krta tha isliye woh apna jenau thod kr lower caste mein chala jata hai..bcoz usne galat ke liye aawaaz uthai..

    • cutie
      May 4, 2014 at 12:21 PM

      sc/st create krne wale kon hai jo log genral gategory pakad kr baithe hai ek hi category rakhte acha tha tum sbke liye…kya hindu,sikh,muslim n christian….waah! general mein hindu religion ki teen community ko jagah dene ke saath hi saath sikh or muslim ko beech mein add kr diya but jo tumhare apne hai forth community usko bahar kr diya…very good..woh bhi general hi hote aaj bt woh sc bane bcoz of you n your madness okh..so blame yourself n your small n cheap thinking always..

    • cutie
      June 1, 2014 at 1:48 PM

      And what will u say about bjp patries there is alomost hindu katar bhai working n always spread wrong information to indian people…bcs woh dange karvana chahte hai chal dekhte hai modi ke raaz mein kitni shanti rehti hai..mein na congress ko favor krti hun na hi bjp ko…i m still waiting for right patry…woh party jo poverty ko khatam kre na ki sc/st ko khatam krne mein lage jo log hindu religion ka hi ek part hai ya yun kahe hindu hi hai..aisi party jo corruption kahatm krne na ki religion ke naam pr dange karvaye okh…jo castesim khatam kre sbhi logo ke liye jobs open krke..bcs issue yehi se start hota hai…agr sc ko job mil gai general ko nhi toh dosh sc ko milega…or agr job general ko mil gai toh sc dosh general ko dega…yehi sb chalega…category mein logo ko dalna khatam kro…koi general or sc nhi hai…sbhi hindu ho….hindu,sikh,christin n muslim inki population n finacial condition ko dhayan mein rakhte huye jobs do…fir chahye marks kam ho ya high…marks ke accordingly post pr rakho or agr jiske marks kam hai but high marks wale person se acha kam kr raha hai then usko bhi promote kro salary increase ksb simple hai bt krna nhi hai kisi ne bhi…maro caste ko le ke hi baithe raho…n karan mein baptist hi hun or sbhi katar hindu ke liye pray krti rahungi ki woh narak mein hi jaye.. marks high ho ya low interview or confident ke base pr jobs do okh..

  14. abhijeet
    May 2, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    I am a Sub Engineer in Water Resources Department of Chattisgarh. Now,15 year juniors,who are belongs to SC/ST are PROMOTED.

    • hari
      May 2, 2014 at 12:16 PM

      @abhijeet
      Yes,brother,now the situation is reversed.

      • karan
        May 2, 2014 at 12:22 PM

        abhijeet&hari
        THIS IS JUST BECAUSE THE ENTIRE NON RESERVED COMMUNITY CANNOT CREATE ANY VOTE BANK.

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM

      @abhijeet
      Now the state level bureaucratic systems in some provinces has been dominated by SC/ST.

    • hari
      May 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM

      YES ,NOW THE SITUATION IS GETTING WORSE.THE MIDDLE CLASS NON RESERVED COMMUNITY OF THIS COUNTRY HAVE ONLY TWO OPTIONS, EITHER THEY SHOULD ATTEMPT SUICIDE OR THEY SHOULD LEAVE
      THIS COUNTRY.

    • cutie
      May 3, 2014 at 12:38 PM

      Dear abhijeet you are doing very good job keep doing n think like this way…or bhi jitna zehar ugal sakte ho uglne ki koshish kro jitni dimaag mein gandgi bhari hai usse bahar nikalo maybe you feel very light n better n in future can be very good human being..today you all proved how down you all can go n think to your own people..sc/st are also part of hindu religion but they just separated from their own religion just bcoz of your small n cheap thinking…..my sc old age friend are also junior to her college who are 10 year younger to her..she is quiet n have patience bt thank to god ateast she doing job n helping their family..she strictly warn me that i dont tell this to anybody n share this things on net but today you all forced me to do this…she is 36 years old when got job her qualification is m.com,b,ed,pgdca with 85%..n she is just teacher n who are head teacher her qualification is b.a,b.ed with 62% n she got job in 24 years old..

      • karan
        May 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM

        Dear cutie you are doing very good job keep doing n think like this way…or bhi jitna zehar ugal sakte ho uglne ki koshish kro jitni dimaag mein gandgi bhari hai usse bahar nikalo maybe you feel very light n better n in future can be very good human being..today you all proved how down you all can go n think to your own people. .Brown CONVERT Indians like you are merely useful idiots for the Whites and their Church.

        • cutie
          May 3, 2014 at 7:11 PM

          .Brown CONVERT Indians like you are merely useful idiots for the Whites and their Church.your are too cheap n idiot n mad person…just keep doing mr karan…god ll surly send u in hell soon…hindu religion ki four community ke sabhi log white ,brown n black hote hai okh….this for you..Being a good person doesn’t depend own your religion, your race and your skin color or your culture..its depend on how good your HEART and how good you treat others….i do believe in humanity n nobody can stop me okh…maine atleast apne logo ke bhatke huye dimaag sahi direction mein lane ki koshish mein lagi hun but tum kya kr rahe ho god dekh rahe hai tum or nafrat or fut daal rahe ho or division create kr rahe ho…truth will always win i m right n i m already win….Negative people can always criticize….tum acha kbi nhi soch sakte ho mr karan just one minutes cool mind se comment pado mere…sbhki bhalai hai issi mein but tum log jo apni zidhh or ego pakad kr baithe ho toh ba god tu sabko utha le …tht’s all i want then india can be more develop…soch hi itni choti hai fir kya change le ke aana hai…jis reservation ko ro rahe ho usse hatt kr kbi castesim ko khatam krne ki sochi nhi….mein hindu ho kar yeh sb kr rhi hun but mein proud hindu tb banugi jb sbhi ko ek nazar se dekhungi unko unki caste ki wajah se high or low ke rank mein na rakhte huye unki nature unke karam se unko high or low mein judge krna jayada passandh krungi..

          • karan
            May 3, 2014 at 8:34 PM

            .Negative people can always criticize…upper cast hindu paying price for deeds (may be) for 60 years of their ancestors and multimillionaire .(so called) lower cast groups(they are so many) are getting benefited.This is simply injustice.

    • som
      May 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM

      @abhijeet
      SO ,NOW YOUR 15 YEAR JUNIOR BECOME YOUR SUPERIOR OFFICER AS HE BELONGS TO RESERVED CAST???JUST SURPRISE!!!

  15. cutie
    May 1, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    Whole world think that India has many castes which are main reason of discrimination of people but its very very big misconception of caste system spread around the world to defame culture of India because it was the biggest systematically designed system for people from thousands of years. Now let me tell you what is meaning of varna and caste system in India and how its was started. In Ancient India there were two great saints, one was saint Bhrigu and other was saint Bhardwaj. They met to discuss how to structure a stable society for human being to live proper life, First they recognized the four sources which are:
    1. Knowledge 2. Weapons 3. Wealth 4. Land
    They decided to make system where nobody has more than one of that. These should not be in one hand, not even two should be in one hand. So those who has knowledge will not have wealth, will not have weapons and will not have lands. Those who will have weapons will rule the country but they will not make policy. They need to go to people having knowledge to seek their permission and advice. Those who are having wealth, their social status will be decided by the how much philanthropy they do not by their wealth. Those who has lands have to produce for the society. In fact none of these four category or “varna” was based on by birth.

  16. ravi
    April 29, 2014 at 11:52 AM

    There are 50 Sulabh Shauchalayas (public toilets) in Delhi; all of them are cleaned and looked after by Brahmins (this very welcome public institution was started by a Brahmin). A far cry from the elitist image that Brahmins have!There are five to six Brahmins manning each Shauchalaya. They came to Delhi eight to ten years back looking for a source of income, as they were a minority in most of their villages, where Dalits are in majority (60 per cent to 65 per cent). In most villages in UP and Bihar, Dalits have a union which helps them secure jobs in villages.Most number of Brahmins working as coolies at Delhi’s railway stations.One of them, Kripa Shankar Sharma, says while his daughter is doing her Bachelors in Science he is not sure if she will secure a job.You also find Brahmin rickshaw pullers in Delhi. 50 per cent of Patel Nagar’s rickshaw pullers are Brahmins who like their brethren have moved to the city looking for jobs for lack of employment opportunities and poor education in their villages.Even after toiling the whole day, Vijay Pratap and Sidharth Tiwari, two Brahmin rickshaw pullers, say they are hardly able to make ends meet. These men make about Rs 100 to Rs 150 on an average every day from which they pay a daily rent of Rs 25 for their rickshaws and Rs 500 to Rs 600 towards the rent of their rooms which is shared by 3 to 4 people or their families.Most rickshaw pullers in Banaras are Brahmins.This reverse discrimination is also found in bureaucracy and politics. Most of the intellectual Brahmin Tamil class has emigrated outside Tamil Nadu. Only 5 seats out of 600 in the combined UP and Bihar assembly are held by Brahmins — the rest are in the hands of the Yadavs.400,000 Brahmins of the Kashmir valley, the once respected Kashmiri Pandits, now live as refugees in their own country, sometimes in refugee camps in Jammu and Delhi in appalling conditions. But who gives a damn about them? Their vote bank is negligible.And this is not limited to the North alone. 75 per cent of domestic help and cooks in Andhra Pradesh are Brahmins. A study of the Brahmin community in a district in Andhra Pradesh (Brahmins of India by J Radhakrishna, published by Chugh Publications) reveals that today all purohits live below the poverty line,who are the real Dalits of India.

    In fact, according to this study there has been an overall decline in the number of Brahmin students. With the average income of Brahmins being less than that of non-Brahmins, a high percentage of Brahmin students drop out at the intermediate level. In the 5 to 18 year age group, 44 per cent Brahmin students stopped education at the primary level and 36 per cent at the pre-matriculation level.The study also found that 55 per cent of all Brahmins lived below the poverty line — below a per capita income of Rs 650 a month. Since 45 per cent of the total population of India is officially stated to be below the poverty line it follows that the percentage of destitute Brahmins is 10 per cent higher than the all-India figure.According to the Andhra Pradesh study, the largest percentage of Brahmins today are employed as domestic servants. The unemployment rate among them is as high as 75 per cent. Seventy percent of Brahmins are still relying on their hereditary vocation. There are hundreds of families that are surviving on just Rs 500 per month as priests in various temples (Department of Endowments statistics).Priests are under tremendous difficulty today, sometimes even forced to beg for alms for survival. There are innumerable instances in which Brahmin priests who spent a lifetime studying Vedas are being ridiculed and disrespected.At Tamil Nadu’s Ranganathaswamy Temple, a priest’s monthly salary is Rs 300 (Census Department studies) and a daily allowance of one measure of rice. The government staff at the same temple receive Rs 2,500 plus per month. But these facts have not modified the priests’ reputation as ‘haves’ and as ‘exploiters.’ The destitution of Hindu priests has moved none, not even the parties known for Hindu sympathy.

    The tragedy of modern India is that the combined votes of Dalits/OBC and Muslims are enough for any government to be elected. The Congress quickly cashed in on it after Independence, but probably no other government than Sonia Gandhi’s has gone so far in shamelessly dividing Indian society for garnering votes.The Indian government gives Rs 1,000 crores (Rs 10 billion) for salaries of imams in mosques and Rs 200 crores (Rs 2 billion) as Haj subsidies. But no such help is available to Brahmins and upper castes. As a result, not only the Brahmins, but also some of the other upper castes in the lower middle class are suffering in silence today, seeing the minorities slowly taking control of their majority.Anti-Brahminism originated in, and still prospers in anti-Hindu circles. It is particularly welcome among Marxists, missionaries, Muslims, separatists and Christian-backed Dalit movements of different hues. When they attack Brahmins, their target is unmistakably Hinduism.

    So the question has to be asked: are the Brahmins (and other upper castes) of yesterday becoming the Dalits of today?

    • karan
      April 29, 2014 at 11:54 AM

      55 per cent of all Brahmins lived below the poverty line — below a per capita income of Rs 650 a month. Since 45 per cent of the total population of India is officially stated to be below the poverty line it follows that the percentage of destitute Brahmins is 10 per cent higher than the all-India figure.

      There is no reason to believe that the condition of Brahmins in other parts of the country is different. In this connection it would be revealing to quote the per capita income of various communities as stated by the Karnataka finance minister in the state assembly: Christians Rs 1,562, Vokkaligas Rs 914, Muslims Rs 794, Scheduled castes Rs 680, Scheduled Tribes Rs 577 and Brahmins Rs 537.

      Appalling poverty compels many Brahmins to migrate to towns leading to spatial dispersal and consequent decline in their local influence and institutions. Brahmins initially turned to government jobs and modern occupations such as law and medicine. But preferential policies for the non-Brahmins have forced Brahmins to retreat in these spheres as well.

      • cutie
        May 1, 2014 at 12:36 PM

        The Almighty Brahmin! by Khushwant Singh: Whatever be the sphere of curiosity – literary, scientific, bureaucratic, or whatever, the Brahmin remains the top dog. Before I give details, we should bear in mind that Brahmins form no more than 3.5% of the population of our country. My statistics come from a pen friend, Brother Stanny, of St. Anne’s Church of Dhule in Maharashtra.They hold as much as 70% of government jobs. In the senior echelons of the civil service from the rank of deputy secretaries upward, out of 500 there are 310 Brahmins, i.e. 63%. Of the 26 state chief secretaries, 19 are Brahmins; of the 27 Governors and Lt. Governors 13 are Brahmins; of the 16 Supreme Court Judges, 9 are Brahmins; of the 330 judges of High Courts, 166 are Brahmins; of 140 ambassadors, 58 are Brahmins; of the total 3,300 IAS officers, 76 [per cent?] are Brahmins. Of the 508 Lok Sabha members, 190 were Brahmins; of 244 in the Rajya Sabha, 89 are Brahmins.This 3.5% of Brahmin community of India holds between 36% to 63% of all the plum jobs available in the country.

        • karan
          May 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM

          We should bear in mind that NON RESERVED( GENERAL CATEGORY) form no more than 50% of the population of our country.
          SO, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT They hold as much as THEIR POPULATION in different segment of high profile
          jobs.
          BUT NOW,SITUATIONS ARE GETTING WORSE DUE TO PROMOTION POLICY IN GOVERNMENT SECTOR.
          THIS IS THE POWER OF ALMIGHTY RESERVED CASTS OF INDIA.

          • hari
            May 2, 2014 at 3:17 PM

            @karan
            Should reservations extend to promotions in government jobs?
            The Supreme Court’s decision to strike down the Uttar Pradesh government’s policy of reservation to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in promotions has sparked a controversy.

          • hari
            May 2, 2014 at 3:23 PM

            @karan
            GOOD NEWS!!!
            Akhilesh orders roll back of Maya’s reservation bounty
            In a major reversal of the policy decision of the previous Mayawati regime, UP chief minister Akhilesh Yadav has ordered for the roll back of the policy of reservation for the Schedule Caste and Schedule Tribes (SC/ST) in promotion of government officers and employees.

          • cutie
            May 3, 2014 at 11:29 AM

            Dear the power of almighty are belong to non reserved category…i dont think this reservation helping other people i mean to say your own people who belong to forth community n also known as hindu okh..if its true then sc/st dont convert to other religion like christian,sikh n muslim its happen just bcoz of mentally people torture..and most of these lower caste people population go to abroad have good percent bt when they dont get any good jobs after 5 or 6 year then they decided to leave this own country but they are well settle there as doctor,engineer,lawyer n businessman..

          • cutie
            May 3, 2014 at 11:52 AM

            Dear what is the fact i wan to tell u people always have complaint that so called general got good marks bt sc got got job even they dont have good marks n they are already rich…this is totally wrong misconception of all katar hindu bcoz from previous time they are not liking them n continuing hating them…but why they are also part of hindu religion…if any mother had four sons n she love only three sons n ignoring her forth son n behaving with him so bad is it good..my one friend is rajput girl belong to very rich family her all family members doing government jobs…she is 12th passed with 50% n done ett course bt she got goverment job in her 20 year old age n her husband n in laws also very rich n doing government jobs she is married in 21 year old..and now i will tell u about my other friend who belong to sc category…she is belong to middle class family in her family nobody doing government jobs even her family members are well educated with 80% n 90% marks..most of the member of her family just go to abroad n settle there with the help of some good relative n their parents…my friend qualification is m.a,b.ed with 80% marks bt didnt get any government job she is now 35 year old didnt get marry bcoz sc boys who also not got government jobs wants ateast that girl who doing government job..bt she doing job in private area…this is not the one sc girl story..i know lot of my general n sc friends…where general are well rich n doing government jobs bt sc still waiting for their turn n chance..why bcoz they are sc n they are others….i must say to all hindu they are not lower by caste bt u are very lower by ur thinking n from ur heart..All need jobs fir chahe woh sc ho ya general okh…agr reservation bandh kr bhi de toh kya kata hindu inko aage aane denge yeh sawal apne aap se puchna..jbki rservation ke chalte bhi yeh sb ho raha hai or tumhe yeh chubhti hai bcoz u r jealous..apno se hi itni nafrat or itni jealousy kya woh insaan nhi hai unko koi life or zarurte nahi hai agr…katar hindu iss society ko ek caste line mein devide na krte toh aisa kuch nhi hona tha..or ek baat opne your mind hindu religion ki char community hai toh aap logo ko right hai ek better life partner choose krne ka toh kbi bhi caste mat dekho kisi bhi community ka ladka ho ya ladki agr understanding milti hai dono mein then dont let them go from your life..we have lots of opportunity bas apni choti soch ke chalte hum usko grab nhi kr pate hai..arre acha hai toh kya well educated hai toh kya but hamari community ka nhi hai..or dusri tarah apni community ke ladke ya ladki se shadi krke jinke saath koi understanind bhi na mile well educated bhi na ho bt sari umar usse jute khana manzoor hai bt caste se bahar aana manzoor nhi hai hum logo ko..

      • cutie
        May 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM

        George Bernard Shaw once mentioned that “Cricket is a game where eleven fools play and eleven hundred fools watch”. We at Dalitnation have changed Mr. G.B.Shaw’s words a little bit to reflect the modern Indian reality. We say “Cricket is a Game where eleven brahmins and upper castes play and eleven million sarvajan and bahujan fools watch and eleven hundred fools in the upper caste media comment and analyse this stupid Game.”

        One look at the teams will clear up all your doubts. How the pappati pot bellied Brahmins have injected the caste system. Look at the list of Brahmin Indian cricketers: Sunil Gavaskar, Ravi Shastri, Anil Kumble, Javagal Srinath, Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Sourav Ganguly, Vinoo Mankad, Ajit Wadekar, G.R.Vishwanath, EAS Prassana, Ishant Sharma, Yashpal Sharma, Chethan Sharma, Manoj Prabhakar, B Chandrashekar, K Srikanth, L Sivaramakrishnan, Dilip Doshi, Sunil Joshi, Rohit Sharma, Venkatesh Prasad, Ashok Malhotra, VVS Laxman, Murli Karthik, Sreeshashant, Dileep Sardesai, Sanjay Manjrekar,ML Jaisimha, Sudhakar Rao, TA Shekar and many many more. The 4% brahmins in India have on an average more than 70% representation in the cricket teams. The rest are occupied by other upper caste fellows like the jat Kapil dev, Yuvaraj Singh, Mongia, Rajputs Ajay Jadeja, Chethan Chauhan, Upper caste khatri sikhs Sidhu, B S Bedi, Harbhajan Singh. Out of fear of the muslims the sacred threadwallahs reserve some places for muslims like Azzarudin, Irfan Pathan, Pataudi, Kirmani, Munaf Patel. The indian cricket dressing room is virtually a Brahmin Agraharam. Even the recent under 19 team is full of Brahmins with surnames like Kauls and Sharmas. Based on the analysis we have found six Brahmins in this team of eleven and the rest are upper caste and one muslim.

        We dalits can be rest assured that in the next few decades our youths will spend their productive time watching and worshipping the pot bellied Brahmins and upper caste players bat and bowl. Our Dalit people will buy the products endorsed by these fair complexioned Brahmins. They will brush their teeth with the toothpastes these Brahmins endorse i.e if they have the money to buy toothpaste.

        Why papati Brahmins took to cricket. The upcoming and budding Dalit Intellectual Siriyavan Anand has analyzed this so well. We hope brother S Anand continues to write on engrossing Dalit issues and we wish him all the best. Brahmins who never bothered to play any games and who spent all their lives memorizing the stupid Vedic texts found the leisurely game of cricket most suitable to their lazy temperament. Cricket is one of the most laziest games fit for people who have a lot of time to spare and not physically taxing. In cricket unlike in other sports there is less contact between players. This appeals to the Brahmin practice of untouchability. No wonder young Brahmin boys are sent to coaching camps by their parents to get into the cricket team. The Brahmin selectors, the players and Brahmin commentators form a mutual admiration society.

        Now where are the Dalits represented in the cricket team. We had only few dalit cricketers in all these years Balwanth Paloo ( the cricketer who Inspired Babasaheb), Eknath Solkar and Vinod Kambli. Nobody remembers Balwanth Paloo. Why should the pappati remember them. They only remember the twice born dwijas. The Maharastrian dalit Solkar was made to Field close to the batsman and he had to take so many blows. No brahmin wanted to Field there. Vinod Kambli created a world record with the Brahmin Tendulkar. But where is tendulkar now and Kambli is completely forgotten. He was dropped from the team just because he was a Dalit, so that the Brahmin Tendulkar can be made into a hero. The Brahmins do not even have sportsman and team spirit. Look at the way they think about their own records and scores. How could Gavaskar and tendulkar score so many centuries while the team did not win many matches. For the Brahmins the country comes secondary, it is the caste and personal desires which come first. Brahmins whose physiques are not so great are made into macho heros by the media. Ambedkar mentions about how genetically inferior these Brahmins are with respect to their physiques. But our strong Dalit-bhaujans don’t even have a place in the national team. It is a shame.

        In more physically vigorous sports like Hockey and Football the Brahmins don’t qualify so we don’t find the papans there. They would collapse due to exhaustion if they played these games. They need Dalits and Bahujans to play these games. But these dalits don’t get any money for playing hockey and football. The Hockey and football federations have no money. All the money from the upper caste Business sponsors are given to this filthy casteist game of cricket.

        The dalits are made to feel inferior every time they watch a cricket match. There are movies like Lagaan which insults Dalits. Siriyavan Anand writes in detail about these filthy casteist movie. The hero Aamir Khan who is the upper caste Bhuvan is the de facto leader of the team. The untouchable Kachra finds his place in the team because he is handicapped. Why should the dalits be portrayed as physically handicapped. The Brahmin director Ashutoish Gowarikar wants to portray that Dalits are a physically inferior race. We dalits should be watchful of these Brahmin vultures. Bhuvan the hero is patronising with Kachra. We Dalits need no patrons we should demand that our rights should be fulfilled. Kachra’s talent comes only because of his handicap. In the end they even make the upper caste Bhuvan to score the winning six.

        • som
          May 2, 2014 at 1:41 PM

          @cutie
          Recently released Provisional report of National Survey 04-05 states that Buying capacity of Backward castes in rural and urban areas are comparable to forward castes. It also revises Backward castes figure as 41%. It also states that Landownership of Backward castes are comparable to Forward castes. It reiterates its earlier finding (in 99-00 survey) that forward castes are poorly employed (more unemployment).

      • som
        May 2, 2014 at 1:36 PM

        @karan
        You are right.
        Karnataka Minister in state Assembly has announced that per capita income of the Brahmins is lesser than all communities including scheduled castes and scheduled tribes.

        ACTUALLY in rural unemployment, forward castes score worse than all other communities.

    • hari
      April 29, 2014 at 11:57 AM

      Brahmins are still suffering due to actions of the selfish and glory seeking leftist bramnins who came to power after Independence its high time that brahmins start getting vocal. Brahmins are by no means minority. There are enough of us spread all over India. This country’s culture and heritage was shaped by brahmins and non brahmins should be grateful for that.Maybe it was brahmins ancestors single largest mistake that they were always King makers but not kings. India is nothing without Brahmins.

      • cutie
        May 1, 2014 at 12:38 PM

        That’s your poor n wrong thinking..God doesn’t need Brahmin priest, god isn’t so narrow minded. god accept everyone. actually Brahmin priest needs god to make money.

      • cutie
        May 1, 2014 at 12:45 PM

        Also check in sports area,film industries n tellywood there are lots of brahmin n khatri people acting, earning big amount n living luxuries life..We always want to see what we want to see n like to see but never ever try to find the truth behind it..

        • karan
          May 2, 2014 at 2:56 PM

          Also check in sports area,film industries n tellywood there are performing good due to non-implementation of cast reservation policy in this area.
          .We always want to see what we want to see n like to see but never ever try to find the truth behind it..

      • cutie
        May 1, 2014 at 12:48 PM

        A man is great by deeds not by birth…Never forget this in your whole life..

        • som
          May 2, 2014 at 2:40 PM

          A man is KNOWN by his birth or cast in Indian context…one should not forget this in his whole life,because the caste identity has become a subject of political, social and legal interpretation.

          NOW -A-DAYS public education and other matters of civil policy HAS NOT BEING conducted without the introduction of a CAST element of any Indian citizen.

    • hari
      May 2, 2014 at 12:46 PM

      Already have (30–50%) of reservation for communities in India. … rest of the 77.5 % were remained under the unreserved category called “General category”.

  17. cutie
    April 13, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    When anywhere we heard about any crime then some anti hindu says it’s did by lower caste people..then let me tell you the truth..The 2012 Delhi gang rape case involved a rape and fatal assault that occurred on 16 December 2012 in Munirka, a neighbourhood in South Delhi, when a 23-year-old female physiotherapy intern[2] was beaten and gang raped in a private bus in which she was travelling with a male friend. Criminal name are..Ram Singh,Pawan Gupta,Vinay Sharma,Mukesh Singh,Akshay Thakur……And how can you forgot about your previous history RAVAN, DURYODHAN,KANS…

    • hari
      May 2, 2014 at 6:30 PM

      Fake ideology like ” Dravidian Christianity” which is sponsored by missionaries want to divide India into mutual hostile
      camps spreading hatred toward Brahmin as well as upper cast unprivileged community which is unmasked by Rajeev
      Malhotra in his book “BREAKING INDIA”.
      http://www.breakingindia.com/wp-content/themes/bi/images/bi.jpg

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 7:50 PM

      The essential tale of Rama (UPPER CAST HINDU) has also spread across Southeast Asia, and evolved into unique renditions of the epic – incorporating local history, folktales, religious values as well as unique features from the languages and literary discourse.

      The Kakawin Ramayana of Java, Indonesia, the Ramakavaca of Bali, Hikayat Seri Rama of Malaysia, Maradia Lawana of the Philippines, Ramakien of Thailand (which calls him Phra Ram) are great works with many unique characteristics and differences in accounts and portrayals of the legend of Rama.

      The legends of Rama are witnessed in elaborate illustration at the Wat Phra Kaew temple in Bangkok. The national epic of Myanmar, Yama Zatdaw is essentially the Burmese Ramayana, where Rama is named Yama. In the Reamker of Cambodia, Rama is known as Preah Ream. In the Phra Lak Phra Lam of Laos, Gautama Buddha is regarded as an incarnation of Rama.

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 7:58 PM

      Adi Shankara (UPPER CAST HINDU) was a Hindu philosopher from Kaladi in present day Ernakulam district, Kerala, India who consolidated the doctrine of advaita ved?nta.

      His works in Sanskrit establish the doctrine of advaita, the unity of the ?tman and nirguna brahman, brahman without attributes.
      His works elaborate on ideas found in the Upanishads. He wrote copious commentaries on the Vedic canon (Brahma Sutra, principal upanishads and Bhagavad Gita) in support of his thesis.

      The main opponent in his work is the Mimamsa school of thought, though he also offers arguments against the views of some other schools like Samkhya and certain schools of Buddhism.

      Shankara travelled across the Indian subcontinent to propagate his philosophy through discourses and debates with other thinkers. He established the importance of monastic life as sanctioned in the Upanishads and Brahma Sutra, in a time when the Mimamsa school established strict ritualism and ridiculed monasticism.

      He is reputed to have founded four mathas (“monasteries”), which helped in the historical development, revival and spread of Advaita Vedanta of which he is known as the greatest revivalist.

      Adi Shankara is believed to be the organiser of the Dashanami monastic order and the founder of the Shanmata tradition of worship.

  18. cutie
    April 13, 2014 at 4:42 PM

    The brahmin community has been one of the dirty communities which has planned strategically to fool people in the name of god by generating the highest donations in the temple, doing business to fool and loot money in the name of puja, death, marriage, new home… For any occasion, there’s one puja. They charge very high prices and take away all the items after the puja. They have created prostitution in the name of devadasis. They suppress jobs and employment and welfare and equality are destroyed. they have destroyed the Indian medical system. They have killed Indian medical science like siddha vaidhyam and created ayurveda and carnatic music by destroying dravidian music. Even today they have the temples under their control. They say they don’t like untouchables, but they have always been sexually harassing low caste women.

    • karan
      May 3, 2014 at 5:32 PM

      The CHRISTIAN community has been one of the dirty communities which has planned strategically to fool people in the name of “DRAVIDIAN CHRISTIANITY-A FAKE IDEOLOGY by generating the highest donations in the CHURCHES

      THE DEADLY COCKTAIL IDEOLOGY (THE CHRISTIAN TERRORIST WITH THE MASK OF MAO ON THEM) THEY ARE PERFORMING ILLEGAL ACTIVITY IN 170 DISTRICT OF INDIA.

      THE WAR IS ON.THE WAR BETWEEN DEADLY COCKTAIL IDEOLOGY AND FREEDOM-THE VERY AIR WE ARE BREATHING.
      IN INDIA CHRISTIANITY IS JUST MERELY A COLONIAL TOOL, AND MISSIONARIES ARE LITTLE MORE THAN IMPERIAL AGENT.

      • abhijeet
        May 3, 2014 at 5:40 PM

        @karan
        YOU ARE RIGHT.
        Many Christian action group cadres have also been inducted into prominent naxalite groups under the garb of liberation theology activists. For instance Vernon Gonsalves @ Vikram, a state committee member of Maharashtra unit of CPI (Maoist) who was arrested by the ATS, Maharashtra, in August,2007 and another top Maoist leader Arun Ferreira, r/o Bandra, who was arrested by Nagpur police have both confessed to the police that they are activists of liberation theology movement. A number of human rights activists including Dr.Binayak Sen,Vice President of PUCL, have also been arrested in the recent past for their close links with the Maoist movement in the country confirming the close links between the Maoist movement and NGO and human rights net-work. Since the Christian action groups in the country are all controlled by various church agencies, many church leaders in India are also now directly linked with the naxalite movement.

        So, when Sabyasachi Panda, a top Maoist leader of Orissa claims responsibility for the killing of VHP leader Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati and four others at his ashram in Kandhamal district on August 23,2008, it does not help to absolve the church activists from the charge of involvement in the crime. The naxalite movement in the country had enjoyed maximum mass support during the period from 1969 to 1974. However despite the dynamic leadership provided by leaders like Charu Majumdar and Sitaramaiyyah the support base of the naxalite movement was mostly confined to the three states of West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh and Kerala.

        By 1975, the naxal movement had started disintegrating and it is only because of its association with the action group movement since mid seventies that it was able to sustain itself.

        Today, with the full support and all possible assistance from the networking NGOs and also with the systematic induction of a large number of NGO activists into major naxalite groups, the naxal movement in the country has now become very powerful and it continues to make inroads into more and more new areas, especially in the remote and tribal regions.

        About 170 districts in 15 states in the country are now reportedly considered as naxal-infested. This unprecedented growth of naxalite movement in the country can be attributed to the support and encouragement it receives from the action group movement of networking NGOs which has got a strong and wide network all over the country. The irony of the situation is that the naxalite movement which proclaims to be the greatest crusader against the imperialist lobby is presently controlled by the action group movement which in turn is promoted, financed and controlled by the same imperialist lobby.

      • cutie
        May 3, 2014 at 7:20 PM

        but i m not christian…..but they are very good n sweet than katar hindu…they are not narrow minded,mad about caste n religion like katar hindu…i wish i was born in christian family..oh mr karan then you also hate christian like sc/st….n if sikh n muslim also will going grab ur opportunity then u must be hate them too…maybe u still hate sikh n muslim right…so you only love n like your own community n think only good for them not think good for others right…tumhara india sirf ek community tak simit hai but hamara india sbhi community religions ko le kr sochta or chalta hai but tum jaise log uss mein aa kr problems create krte ho..mera mera keh kr…this is called jealousy n madness…samjhe idiot…tumne bhi muje yehi bola tha bt god knows who are idiot,angel n devil..god bless u

        • karan
          May 3, 2014 at 8:25 PM

          i m not katar hindu…..Indian reservation policy should be reviewed and economical weaker upper cast hindu should be benefited.

          • cutie
            May 4, 2014 at 12:40 PM

            yes but if upper caste can make fake sc certificate to get a government job..its not difficult to make them a fake poverty certificate to get a government…kya guaranty hai aisa kuch nhi hoga..mere friends brahmin hai jo lower ko dislike krte hai but sc fake certificate banaya or aaj 5 saal ho gaye hai ache se job kr rahe hai…dar hai asie logo ka fir se purani pratha chalegi…kaar hindu bahut hi clever hai yeh toh samjho…even i also think hum sabhi hindu jis mein four community hai un mein ppor logo ko help mile government ki but dear agr unke marks na ache huye..reason kuch bhi ho sakta hai family problems,health problems,study problems..kuch bache hote hai jinke marks average ho but intelligent hote hai kya unko nhi jobs milni chahiye yes milni chahiye…bcoz they are need bt jo corrupt minister hai or jo katar hindu hai aisa hone denge nahi…sabhi community ke hindu logo ko ek saath le ke chalo equally treat kro…sabse respectful nature rakho…agr aaj mera acha nahi hua karan tum mein kal ko kisi ka bura sochne wali ladki nhi hun…muje logo ka aaj or kal acha banane mein unki help krni hai fir woh koi bhi kyun na ho hindu ( jis mein four communities aati hai),sikh,christain n muslim okh

          • cutie
            June 11, 2014 at 10:17 PM

            And also lower caste hindu who r poor by physical n mentally should be benefited than other kata hindu…actually they r not lower caste hindu some mad people put them into that rank….these religion n caste created by or set up by mad peop to control others not by GOD…..okay katar hindu logo…phele sbko ek kro fir castesim khatam kro den reservation pr ungli uthana jiska benefits kbi sc hindu logo ko mila hi nhi…brahmin people make fake sc certifcate to get government job jinke mad mind yeh bolte hai sc ke haath ka laga pani or khana nhi khayenge…bt sc ban kr job zarur kr lenge….well done..

  19. cutie
    March 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM

    kya muje tum log ek baat ka jawab de sakte ho ki abroad mein kyun marks or grade matter nhi rakhta hai sirf knowledge matter rakhti hai or work aap apni capability ke according hi krte not in india but in abroad..wahan jobs koi A,B,C grade pr nhi di jati hai jaisi interview hoti uske according di jati hai..or ek baat abroad mein bhi severage ka kaam hota hai roads pr se garbage uthane ka kaam hota hai wahan kyun nhi log discrimination jaisa kuch krte hai ki jo yeh kaam krta hai woh low hai jo church mein priest hai woh high hai..wahan char community kyun nhi hai bcoz unke paas aisa cheap sochne ka waqt nhi hai but india ke paas full on time hai iske liye..am i right?…soch ko badal doge toh sb acha hi hoga…society ko ek caste line mein devide krne wale bhi hum hi log hai sb ko hindu maan kr chale toh kya kbi reservation jaisa kuch system hota..now 21st century going on but ab bhi soh baar sochte ho inter caste marriage ke liye..hum kyun nhi samjhna chahte hai hum chote nhi ho jayenge agr hum caste se bahar nikal kr humanity ko dekhenge usko important denge..be true indian.

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 6:45 PM

      kya muje tum log ek baat ka jawab de sakte ho ki abroad mein kyun marks or grade matter nhi rakhta hai sirf knowledge matter rakhti hai or work aap apni capability ke according hi krte not in india but in abroad..wahan jobs koi A,B,C grade pr nhi di jati hai jaisi interview hoti uske according di jati hai..Today India is a leading name in outsourcing; whether it is for IT solutions, customer care, management or accounting India is doing extremely well in every field. In many aspects India is the true global leader; accounting services are one of those aspects which is leveraging the global market. India outsourcing accounting has now become an another name of ideal accounting services as businesses from all over the world are getting great benefits from it.TO YAHAN PER INDIAN RESERVATION POLICY IMPLEMENT NAHI KIYA JATA…SO INDIA IS LEADER IN THIS FIELD DUE TO NON IMPLEMENTATION OF RESERVATION POLICY IN THIS SECTOR.

  20. cutie
    March 14, 2014 at 4:05 PM

    In ancient Hinduism we can easily see Examples where people from low caste moved to higher caste and there was no problem from society. For example Sage Valmiki, he was a Robber named Ratnakar, when he came across in influence of another Sage, he left his life and became a Brahmin. He also taught Lord Rama and was the Author of Ramayana.

    Apart from this old example we can also see the during the invasion of Alexander there was one powerful king who was ruling Magadha, His name was Dhananand and he was from Nanda Dynasty. His grandfather was the barber of the king who later on killed the king and became the King of Magadha.

    There are plenty of more examples which you can easily find. But right now Indians believe what is taught in their textbook which is inclined towards Max Muller theory and thus showing wrong abour Hinduism.

  21. cutie
    March 7, 2014 at 3:24 PM

    Whenever someone’s ask you about your caste then your answer should be to them is:
    I am a Brahmin in knowledge
    I am kshatriya in valor
    I am vaishya in business
    I m shudra in service
    In the end I am just sanatam dharmi hindu and nothing else..Then say you proud to be a hindu..

    • som
      May 2, 2014 at 2:19 PM

      @cutie
      Whenever someone’s ask ME about my caste then my answer should be to them is:
      I am a Brahmin by birth.
      I am not kshatriya in valor (could not create any vote bank ,so not attractive for any political party).
      I might be vaishya in business because of PAN-SHOP IN RURAL INDIA,A LOW PROFILE BUSINESS WITH POST GRADUATE DEGREE OVER AGED (NOT FIT FOR GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT).
      DEFINITELY I m NOT DESERVE shudra in service
      In the end I am just sanatam dharmi hindu and nothing else..Then WHY SHOULD I COULD FEEL proud to be a Hindu..

      • cutie
        June 11, 2014 at 10:31 PM

        just keep ur cheapest thinking wid u…beta ji aise hi raho bahut tarqee kroge…i m hindu girl okay..and I am a Brahmin in knowledge I am kshatriya in valor I am vaishya in business I m shudra in service ……In the end I am just sanatam dharmi hindu and nothing else..Then say you proud to be a hindu..or tum apna brahminmuna apne paas rakho upar god ke paas jakar tuje sabse phele jute padenge….fir chahye tu kitna bhi brahmin hi teri soch or karam ko god bhi punish karega..oh my god india tbhi develop nhi kr raha bcs abhi bhi cheap log caste pakad kr baithe hai…aare yeh sc hamse jayada aage kaise aa gaya yeh intelligent kyun hai yeh ache kaise dikh sakte hai…sb humne theka le rakha hai har govt jobs pr sunder hone pr rich hone pr or achi life jeene pr…bt sorry mein sbko as a human being dekhti hun…sbko right hai educate hone ka achi job krne ka achi life jeene ka okh…ghatiya katar hindu log yar marte kyun ho tum sb log jaldi…sbhi sukh ki saans lenge..or tum hote kon ho kisi ko low rank mein dalne wale or khudh ko high mein dalne wale…god bhi upar dekh ke has raha hoga tumhari akal pr or thukta bhi hoga..thank god mein aisa nhi sochti..hindu kya ban gaye khudha hi samjh liya brahmin rank mein kya daal diya gaya aasmaan pr udd rahe hai..ho kon hai kya hindu ek religion hai okh like muslim n christian n sikh okh…kya muslim,christian or sikh ko yeh puchte ho high caste muslim ho ya low caste muslim ho…jaise yeh sbhi religion ko tum all muslim,all sikh,all christian maan ke chalte ho wohi bhi tumhe aise hi maan kr chalte hai samjhe…pehel ek hindu ho jayo…ek strong hindu religion banao…high or low…mean unch neech ka bhedhbav chod do warna narak mein bhi nhi sadoge or n mukti milegi..tum ghatiya logo se meri family jayada achi hai all hindu ke saath saath muslim,sikh,christain bhi marriage krke meri family mein bahut ache se rehte hai..

  22. cutie
    March 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    One who thinks himself to be of a high caste is actually low. While one who thinks himself/herself to be of low caste is said to be high caste.As per the scriptures, people are known by their nature and the quality of work they perform

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 2:50 PM

      One who thinks himself to be of a low caste is actually high due to the reservation policy. While one who thinks himself/herself to be of high caste is said to be low caste travelling in unreserved crowded compartment.
      People are known by their RANK holding in PUBLIC (AND OTHER)SECTOR and the MONEY THEY DESERVE.

      • cutie
        May 3, 2014 at 11:56 AM

        God doesn’t need Brahmin priest, god isn’t so narrow minded. god accept everyone. actually Brahmin priest needs god to make money.

      • cutie
        May 3, 2014 at 11:56 AM

        I dont know how to make understand indian people..sirf ek baat ka jawab do muje abroad mein koi high or low caste hai..bt india mein hai..kisne create ki apne aap se pucho..abroad mein jobs category ke bases pr nhi milti hai or na percentage ke bases pr or na hi addmission percentages pr hoti hai..sbko right hai educate hone ka..aisa india mein kyun nhi hai..there are lots of schools n colleges why not in india..apni soch badlo ek baar sbko ek hi nazar se dekho jaise abroad mein hai high or low hum apne behaivour n character se bante hai caste se nhi..sbko educate hone ka chance do sbko jobs do..bahut si jobs hum create kr sakte hai yeh govt ko krna chahiye agr woh corrupt na ho..kyun yeh condition rakhte ho ki jobs 50% or 60% ko milegi…zaruri nhi hai jiske marks kam hai uske paas knowledge kam hai ya woh ache se work nhi kr sakta hai or jiske marks high hai woh intelligent hai…yeh thinking hi galat hai jo koi bhi ho kbi kbi aisi situation paida hoti hai ki hum marks nhi le pate hai jyda bcoz kbi bimar ho jana financial problems hoti hai..family stress koi bhi reason ho sakte hai…or ek baat jitni jobs ki zarurat 70% wale ko hoti hai unti hi zarurat 50% wale ko bhi hoti hai.poor log bhi kbi 50% le lete hai toh kbi 70%..poor koi bhi ho sakta hai general bhi sc bhi but jayda poor tum log jante ho kon hai. general or sc ka jo jaal buna hai usko khatam kro sbhi hindu hai kuch intelligent hai kuch slow learner hai but we cant say they are not intelligent..time sb sikha deta hai..kuch log kehte hai jobs jo poor hai unko milni chahiye i agree with u…but yeh batao jo log sc certificate fake bana ke jobs le ke baithe hai jo real mein brahmin hai..jin logo ne hi yeh khel racha hai high or low ka…unke liye kitna mushkil hoga ek poor ka fake certificate bana lena or jobs le lena.. apke bhale ke liye keh rahi indian people chodo iss castesim ko..kuch nhi rakha hai sivaye stress ke or apna dimaag kharab krne ke..yeh socho aisa kya kre ki jayda se jayda jobs create kr sake govt ki…ek example deti hun..aap sbne satyamev jayate2 ka episodes dekha hoga police wala..24hour police wale jobs krte hai family ko time nhi de pate hai..ab agr hum jis chownki pr 10 logo ko police ki jobs pr 24 hour rakh rahe hai wohi hum agr 20 rakh de or shift 12 hour kr de isse sbko govt jobs bhi mil jayegi or police wale bhi apni family ko time de sakegi..plz solution hamare paas hi hai…bas soch badlne ki zarurat hai..

      • cutie
        May 6, 2014 at 4:34 PM

        tum ek parrot ki tarah mere comments rat rahe ho acha hai bcoz tumhare paas apna kuch kehne ko hai hi nahi n yeh bhi hai meri baat ka tum theek se jawab nahi de pa rahe ho or de bhi nahi sakte ho bcoz mein sahi hi bol rahi hun but tumhara katar hindu wala mind kabi iss cheeze ko accept nahi krne wala hai…chalo upper ko hi educate hone do government jobs bhi wohi kare…ab shayadh maan ko shanti mil jaye…arre bhaad mein jaye lower caste ke…abhi kuch katar karan hindu n abhijeet…yeh bhi kar ke dekh lena…log bhi mere comments pad rahe hai reality kisne mein hai…negative or postive kon hai yeh dekhne do…tum katar karan hindu…teen community ke bhale ke liye soch rahe ho or mein akeli hi char community ki baat kar rahi thi…hum sabhi hindu hai…tumhe pata hai yeh caste devide krke hamrai hindu pppulation pure world mein kitni kam hai…sirf iss caste ki wajah se..pure world mein muslim or christian population jayada hai…or good news for all jin logo ko tumne lower banya hai woh bhi apna religion convert kr chuke hai..kuch christian ban chuke hai toh kuch muslim…ab batao jobs kahan ja rahi hai kisne mil rahi hai idiot…bolo ab…pehle sb ek toh ho jayo…fir system bhi acha hoga…but katar hindu mind mein kbi koi baat samjh mein aayi hai jo ab aayegi…maro issi mein hum brahmin hai hum kshtriya hai hum vaishya hai or tum shudra ho…jaise agla janam toh tumhara bahut acha hoga…kal kisne dekha hai jo aaj tum log kar rahe ho jab tum sc banoge tb pata chalega okh…or muje pata hai fir se mere comment hi muje send kroge saath mein add kr dena jb tum hindu banogi pata chalega…well mein wohi hun okh….but katar hindu nhi hun..bas apne logo ko ek kar rahi hun…teri tarah seprate nhi kr rahi hun…pehle reservation khatam kr do fir caste bhi khatm ho jayegi..jaise bhag ke shadi kr loge un logo se or gale se laga loge…tab bhi ego jayada dikhegi tumhari…i know this…sabke mind ache se padna janti hun mein..

        • karan
          May 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM

          Tum ek parrot ki tarah mere comments rat rahe ho acha hai bcoz tumhare paas apna kuch kehne ko hai hi nahi n yeh bhi hai meri baat ka tum theek se jawab nahi de pa rahe ho
          WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS TO READ CAREFULY….
          We will review the reservation policy ,which is being exercised from 67 years. Amendment would be carried out near future.We have changed 120 year old Land acquisition act which had been exercised from 1895 This year the new Land acquisition act 2014 has been replaced the old law.
          As the ground reality is changing so every law & act should be reviewed after a period of time.

  23. cutie
    March 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

    All human-beings are equal in the eyes of God.The human-beings have only created the caste system.There are good and bad people in both high caste as well as low caste.
    Ultimately,what matters to God is, whether one is a good person or striving to become one, or not.

  24. cutie
    March 7, 2014 at 3:20 PM

    insaan apne guno se upar uthta hai unche staan pr baith jane se nhi..caste n community created by mad people jin logo ko khud ko dusro se shreshth batane ke liye apne aapko ek high community mein rakh liya or dusro ko niche dikhane ke liye lower community mein rakh diya gaya bina unki marzi jane…i want to tell to all mad hindu people community ye decide nhi kregi ki tum kitne high or low ho…tumhare karam tumhe upar or niche girane wale hai…arre god ne insaan banaye hai caste nhi…n listen aisa hota toh christan or muslim mein bhi aise hi char community hoti bt tum log unko as all christan n as all muslim hi bolte ho…tum katar hindu logo ne khudh hi apne bando ko khudh se alag kr diya…char community hai hindu mein let me explain it to very well ok…hindu ko as a body lo us body ke char hisse tum stupid logo ne char hiso mein describe kiya ..1st brahmin jisko sir ka staan diya or kshatriye ko bhuja or vaishya ko pait ka or tum sabki favorite community shudr jisko per ka staan diya….ab gadho batao agr per kat doge toh kya apni manzil ki taraf tunde ho ke jayoge tum sb apahiz ho yaad rkhna..agr hmari body ka ek part bhi kat jaye toh hum apahiz kehlate hai toh tum stupid hindu khudh apahiz ban chuke ho..ek bade se bada brahmin or devta bhi jb apne maa baap ntmastak hone ke liye sir jhukata hai toh woh uske charno ko choone ke liye toh akal ke andho sabse uncha staan toh shudr log prapt kr chuke hai…tum nhi tum gire huye ghatiya egoist bande ho jisko god bhi narak mein dalega….i m also brahmin bt i hate castsim okh….say no to community n no caste den reservation should be stop itself…abroad isliye develop kr raha hai bcs unka mind indian ghatiya logo ki tarah nhi hai especially katar hindu..1000 saal baadh bhi india mein koi development nhi hogi yeh aise hi high low ke liye hi mrte rahenge…

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 7:16 PM

      The Caste system among Indian Christians often reflect stratification by sect, location, and the castes of their predecessors.
      Social practices among certain Indian Christians parallel much of the discrimination faced by lower castes in other religious communities, as well as having features unique to this community.

      About 70–80 per cent of Indian Christians are Dalit Christian, members of the Dalit or backward classes.

      Downtrodden class in India has always been victim of unequal treatment, casteism and social exploitation. In order to seek solace and relief from their pathetic condition, they are still coming under the aegis of church for the last 3 or 4 centuries. But, here, too, they have been exploited in the name of caste and race. The hope with which they had come to Christianity seems to have been forfeited. On the contrary, they are now entangled in even deeper quagmire of inequality.
      Open Letter of Indian Dalit Christians to Pope Benedict XVI
      http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=2112

      • cutie
        May 3, 2014 at 11:57 AM

        Reservation jb tak duniya hai tb tak rehni chahiye…bcoz still people believe in castesim.still have high or low caste bases discrimination..acha bhala india angrezo se azaadh hua tha tum ghatiyan logo ne society ko ek caste line mein devide kiya..na krte sbhi ko hindu maan kr chalte toh aaj yeh reservation jaisi koi problems hi na hoti..bada shonk chada tha na khudh high rank mein rakhne ka dusro ko low mein rakhna bina unki marzi jane bcoz us time unki conditions poor thi tumhare paas paisa tha toh tumne khudko high rank mein rakh liya bt kaam tumhare low standard se bhi ghatiyan hai..jitne bhi crime hote hai woh brahmin kshatriya jaise logo ka haath hota hai unka..ab bhagwadh gita ka example le lo jo brahmin kul mein janma means ravan aaj ke samaye mein woh raksh hi samjha jata hai or valmiki jo shudra the apni knowledge ke bal pr usne sabe uscha staan prapt kiya hai..kya hoti hai high or low caste or kya hai yeh brahmin kshtriya or vaishya or shudra..khudh hi sb create krke khudh hi sbko prblems mein daal diya..kya god ne yeh ghatiyan kaam kiya i m sure god apne logo ko kbi high or low mein nhi rakhega…us time kuch logo mein knowledge kya thi uska itna galat fayda utha liya u should be ashamed of yourself..we all are hindu..no one is brahmin, no one is kshtriya, no one is vaishya n no one is shudra understood..india mein jo rehta hai woh sbhi hindu hai sb pehle insaan ke roop mein aate hai..baadh mein tum hindu,muslim, sikh or christian ho..yeh char religion kafi nhi the..discrimination krne ke liye jo char or le ke aa gaye ho..first say no caste n no community we all are hindu..prove kro isko khatam kro isko sbko ek nazar se dekho..inter caste marriage krke iss ghatiyan thinking ko khatam kro..we all are human being then anything else..jo india mein hai woh indian hai okh..n let me tell u one think…kuch lower caste issi baato se dukhi ho ke abroad chale gaye or kuch religion hi change kr chuke hai..sabse kam population toh pure world mein hindu logo ki hai..bt i happy hindu sbhi khatam hi ho jaye acha hai atleast yeh ghatiyan castesim high or low ka system toh khatam hoga aise toh katar hindu kbi nhi sunenge kbi na manenge..kitni zindgiyan kharab kr chuke ho iss castesim ki wajah se hua hai…schi mein narak mein jaye sbhi hindu dil se badhdua deti hun..pure world mein muslim budhist or christian ki populations badti rahe..bcoz tum nhi samjhoge or na shudharne wale ho..

      • cutie
        June 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM

        Always remember one thing in ur life when u abuse any lower caste by saying dalit n chamaar then u abusing yourself n ur own religion..bcoz if u accepted that hindu religion is one n these religion has four community like:brahmin,kshatriya,vaishya,shudra…shudra means pure (pure from soul n heart)..then let me remind u fourth community also come under hindu religion they are also hindu to whom u abuse as dalit n chamaar…so you are not abusing them but abusing yourself n your own religion too..

      • cutie
        June 11, 2014 at 10:33 PM

        tuje toh saare religion or caste ke logo se problems hai sivaye katar hindu logo ko chod ke…ja mar wohi jute chaat unke..

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 7:30 PM

      There is a system of social stratification among Muslims that has some similarity to the caste systems around the world.
      Religious, historical and socio-cultural factors have helped define the bounds of endogenous groups for Muslims in South Asia, the Middle East and other parts of world.

      There is a preference for endogenous marriages based on the clan-oriented nature of the society, which values and actively seeks similarities in social group identity based on several factors, including religious, sectarian, ethnic, and tribal/clan affiliation.
      Religious affiliation is itself multilateral and includes religious considerations other than being Muslim, such as sectarian identity (e.g. Shia or Sunni, etc.) and religious orientation within the sect (Isnashari, Ismaili, Ahmedi, etc.).
      In some parts of South Asia, the Muslims are divided as Ashrafs and Ajlafs.
      Ashrafs claim a superior status derived from their foreign ancestry.

      In the Fatwa-i-Jahandari (advice XXI), written by the fourteenth century Turkish scholar, Ziauddin Barani ,he wrote about the “qualities of the high-born” as being “virtuous” and the “low-born” being the “custodian of vices”. Every act which is “contaminated with meanness and based on ignominity, comes elegantly [from the Ajlaf]“.
      Barani had a clear disdain for the Ajlaf and strongly recommended that they be denied education, lest they usurp the Ashraf masters. He sought appropriate religious sanction to that effect.
      Barani also developed an elaborate system of promotion and demotion of Imperial officers (“Wazirs”) that was primarily on the basis of their caste.

      In addition to the Ashraf/Ajlaf divide, there is also the Arzal caste among Muslims, who were regarded by anti-Caste activists like as the equivalent of untouchables

  25. cutie
    March 7, 2014 at 3:14 PM

    All stupid people living in India that’s why this country cant be develop anymore as the other countries are well developed. Bcoz indian people live in caste-ism and egoist by nature especially who belong to upper class which is created by themselves not created by God.God only created human being..He didnt put any human in high and low category..This cheap things only created by some mad people itself who live in India..and they be proud by called themselves hindu..I am also hindu but I feel bad when every person who proudly said they are hindu but their thinking is so narrow minded..now its depend on human what they want to become Devil or Angel..Nobody is lower and higher by caste or religion..they become high and low by their behavior..Reservation should be stop itself when you all leave this stupid casteism..Say no caste and no community..All are hindu who live in hindustaan understood..

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 6:59 PM

      India displaces Japan to become third-largest world economy in terms of PPP: World Bank
      India has displaced Japan to become the world’s third biggest economy in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP), according to a World Bank report released on Tuesday.

      The 2011 round of the bank’s International Comparison Program (ICP) ranked India after the US and China. The last survey in 2005 had placed the country on 10th place.

      PPP is used to compare economies and incomes of people by adjusting for differences in prices in different countries to make a meaningful comparison.
      India’s share in World GDP in terms of PPP was 6.4% in 2011 compared with China’s 14.9% and the US’ 17.1%, the latest ICP showed. The survey covered 199 economies.

      http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/34392694.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

      SO all WISE people living in India that’s why this country developing SO THEY BE PROUD BY CALLED THEMSELVES HINDU.

  26. cutie
    March 7, 2014 at 3:13 PM

    We always talk about religion and castesim but in reality there is no any caste and religion. We all are same our blood are same.then why we believe in discrimination. God never created any caste they made simple human being.. Mentally sick people take the path of fundamentalism and spread casteism and communism. They suffer from inferiority complex and divide the society into “we” and “they”. They (belonging either to higher or lower ranked caste) have a fear in their heart that if they do not get a higher place for themselves in society, “other” people are going to exploit them and going to put them down.They don’t have believe on themselves and their own work. They have doubt own their capability. People with negative mindset suffer from inferiority complex and divide society into compartments like higher castes or lower castes.and can’t tolerate “others” progress or well-being. They cannot work hard and cannot tolerate anybody else’s achievements. These are the people with negative mindset who believe in ranking some belonging to higher castes and/or some to lower castes. They are coward and they are unable to protect themselves…

  27. bmniac
    March 1, 2014 at 11:00 AM

    Consider the great Vyasa Bhagawan!He edited and classified the Vedas(forgive the loose terms) wrote the Mahabharata and till the end tried to be the conscience of the Leaders giving correct advice based on Dharma. The greatest Indian(my humble opinion) was a Brahmin whose mother was from the fisherwoman caste. That was never held against him.Will he be allowed to come up today. That is the reason for our decline!

  28. cutie
    February 23, 2014 at 4:50 PM

    Hindu religion devided into four community….but again I m saying to all stupid people who living in india..caste and community only created by mentally sick people and who follow them they have something problem in their mind..four community name are Brahmin,kshatriya,vaishya,shurda…and its surprising we all India dnt know the exactly meaning of these four words..let me explain to you..brahmin means not that who born in high class..koi janam se uncha or nicha nhi hota hai.brahmin mean jo god ko janta hai usko apne samne dekha ho jisse brahma ka pata ho or apne acche karam se jana jaye na ki apni jaat se..agr Brahmin hone pr insaan ke karam gandhe hai toh who insaan ashudh mana jata hai who pavitr aatma nhi hoti hai…Kshatriya ka matlb hota hai weh yodha jo mantvta ki raksha hetu apne angg angg ko katva de..samks praniyon ki raksha ke liye apni jaan kurbaan kr de or apne karam pr ghamand na dikhaye..Vaishya who hote hai jo apne kaam mein emaan dikhaye koi chori chakari na kre..apne kaam ko galat tareeqe se na kre..emaan ki kamai ko khaye haraam ki kamai ko haath na lagaye..Shudra ka matlb hota hai shudh or pavitr aatma….jis bande ke ander koi moh, maya, krodh or ahnkaar tak nhi hai jiska aacharn shudh ho or karam shudh ho wohi sacha shudra hai..jo apne karam par purn vishwaas rake…jiske karam ache nhi man mein ahnkaar hai who shudra nhi mana ja sakta hai..agr tum log shudra ko pero ka sathaan dete ko toh or unhe neecha mante ho toh kanjke pujna bandh kr do unke peron (feet) ko dohna unki puja krna bandh kr do..kisi devi devta ke mandir ja kr natmastak na ho or apne mata pita ke peron ko choo ke ashiwadh lena bandh kr do

  29. cutie
    February 23, 2014 at 4:49 PM

    We always talk about religion and castesim but in reality there is no any caste and religion. We all are same our blood are same.then why we believe in discrimination. God never created any caste they made simple human being..caste and community only created by stupid people who are mentally sick and had fear in their heart bcoz if they will not choose higher place for themselves then other people going to defeat them and going to put them down..bocz they don’t have believe on themselves and their own work..they have doubt own their capability..they always think negative we cnt do hard work if other person give their best then they must be achieve something better than them..by creating high and low community and even not asked to any people wh are coward they put themselves to higher community…bcoz they are coward and they to protect themselves…

    • cutie
      March 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM

      i m sorry for this comment i was in anger n hurt that’s why i sent this harsh msg to that people who hurt lower caste people feelings bcoz of their’s lower caste..but i realized my mistake n sending new one comment so who are good people they ll definitely help this country for change their wrong attitude toward this castesim..

  30. cutie
    February 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM

    Many a time, man has taken birth in high caste and low caste; but this does not make him great or low

    Having been born in high caste man thinks himself to be great and being born in low caste thinks himself to be low and pitiable; both of these states of mind are wrong because many times man has been born in high and low castes. Hence, one should not be proud of having been born in high caste and not feel low if born in low caste family.

    Greatness has nothing to do with high caste. Man becomes great because of his noble work, exemplary character and becomes loathsome because of his immorality and evil conduct. Thus, it is his conduct only that decides his greatness or lowliness. Who does not know that high family born Ravana, Kansa, Duryodhana and others are censurable; whereas Metarya muni, Harikeshi muni and others, though born in low family, are venerable.

    Then, what is the importance of high or low caste?

  31. cutie
    February 23, 2014 at 4:48 PM

    Hindu (body) four community: brahmin (head) kshatriya (arm) vaishya (belly) shudra (feet) All these four communit called as hindu. We all are parts of one body. Without each part our body is not complete. If we lost one part of our body then we become handicap. The human body is the entire structure of a human being. Human Body is considered so loving that God even wants to have it. Spiritual Yogis have found that after going through the 84 millions species this souls get the most dignified human body. So it is the last step to explore the God or to get the view of almighty father god. We know that the soul never dies it takes birth again and again just like as we take new clothes to wear the soul as it takes new body and it is an infinite process. But the body what we get in next birth depend on our karma that thas been cited in Gita by Lord Krishna to Arjuna. We all here to perform our duties. Our action makes our destiny and nothing else. The result is in the hand of supreme power. Karma is the seed of plant and if the seed is genuine it must be fruitful.

  32. cutie
    February 23, 2014 at 4:47 PM

    All stupid people living in India that’s why this country cant be develop anymore as the other countries are well developed. Bcoz indian people live in caste-ism and egoist by nature especially who belong to upper class which is created by themselves not created by God.God only created human being..He didnt put any human in high and low category..This cheap things only created by some bastard itself who live in India..and they be proud by called themselves hindu..I am also hindu but i wanna spit on that every person who proudly said they are hindu but their thinking is so narrow minded..now its depend on human what they want to become Devil or Angel..Nobody is lower and higher by caste or religion..they become high and low by their behavior..Reservation should be stop itself when you all leave this stupid casteism..Say no caste and no community..All are hindu who live in hindustaan understood idiot people..

    • karan
      May 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM

      All are Hindu who live in Hindustaan understood wise people..

      All wise people living in India that’s why this country is developing (become third-largest world economy in terms of purchasing power parity according to a World Bank report released).

      And also it was developed in ancient era.Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus are studies, which originated in India.* Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to mankind. The Father of Medicine, Charaka, consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.* India was one of the richest countries till the time of British rule in the early 17th Century. Christopher Columbus, attracted by India’s wealth, had come looking for a sea route to India when he discovered America by mistake.The Art of Navigation & Navigating was born in the river Sindh over 6000 years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word ‘NAVGATIH’. The word navy is also derived from the Sanskrit word ‘Nou’.Bhaskaracharya rightly calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the Sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. According to his calculation, the time taken by the Earth to orbit the Sun was 365.258756484 days.The value of “pi” was first calculated by the Indian Mathematician Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century, long before the European mathematicians.Quadratic Equations were used by Sridharacharya in the 11th century. The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 10*53 (i.e. 10 to the power of 53) with specific names as early as 5000 B.C.during the Vedic period.Even today, the largest used number is Terra: 10*12(10 to the power of 12).Until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds in the world
      (Source: Gemological Institute of America).
      Sushruta is regarded as the Father of Surgery. Over2600 years ago Sushrata & his team conducted complicated surgeries like cataract, artificial limbs, cesareans, fractures, urinary stones, plastic surgery and brain surgeries.Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient Indian medicine. Detailed knowledge of anatomy, embryology, digestion, metabolism,physiology, etiology, genetics and immunity is also found in many ancient Indian texts.Varanasi, also known as Benaras, was called “the Ancient City” when Lord Buddha visited it in 500 B.C., and is the oldest, continuously inhabited city in the world today.
      Martial Arts were first created in India, and later spread to Asia by Buddhist missionaries.Yoga has its origins in India and has existed for over 5,000 years.

    • hari
      May 2, 2014 at 8:38 PM

      India became poor due to cruel British Raj NOT DUE TO OTHER REASONS(UPPER AND LOWER CAST)

      Famines inBritish India between 1765 and 1947 Year,Name of famine (if any),British territory

      [1]769–70Great Bengal Famine Bihar, Northern and Central Bengal10 million, (about one third of the then population of Bengal )

      [2] 1783–84,Chalisa famine,Delhi, Western Oudh, Eastern Punjab region, Rajputana, and Kashmir Severe famine. Large areas were depopulated. Up to 11 million people may have died during the years 1782–84.

      [3]1791–92 ,Doji bara famine or Skull famine Hyderabad, Southern Maratha country, Deccan, Gujarat, and Marwar One of the most severe famines known. People died in such numbers that they could not be cremated or buried. It is thought that 11 million people may have died during the years 1788–94

      [4]1837–38 ,Agra famine of 1837–38,Central Doab and trans-Jumna districts of the North-Western Provinces (later Agra Province), including Delhi and Hissar800,000 [5]1860–61Upper Doab of Agra; Delhi and Hissar divisions of the Punjab,Eastern Rajputana,2 million

      [5]1865–67,Orissa famine of 1866,Orissa (also 1867) and Bihar; Bellary and Ganjam districts of Madras,1 million (814,469 in Orissa, 135,676 in Bihar and 10,898 in Ganjam)

      [6]1868–70,Rajputana famine of 1869,Ajmer, Western Agra, Eastern Punjab,Rajputana,1.5 million (mostly in the princely states of Rajputana)

      [7]1873–74,Bihar famine of 1873–74,Bihar,An extensive relief effort was organized by the Bengal government.

      [8]1876–78Great Famine of 1876–78 (also Southern India famine of 1876–78)Madras and BombayMysore and Hyderabad6.1 to 10.3 million

      [9]1888–89Ganjam, Orissa and North Bihar150,000 deaths

      [10]Ganjam. Deaths were due to starvation as famine relief was not provided in time.

      [11]1896–97,Indian famine of 1896–97, Madras, Bombay Deccan, Bengal, United Provinces, Central Provinces,Northern and eastern Rajputana, parts of Central India and Hyderabad,5 million

      [12]1899–1900,Indian famine of 1899–1900,Bombay, Central Provinces, Berar, Ajmer,Hyderabad, Rajputana, Central India, Baroda, Kathiawar, Cutch,1 million

      [13]1905–06,BombayBundelkhand,235,062

      [14]1943–44,Bengal famine of 1943, Bengal,4.5 million

      NOW THIS TYPE OF FAMINES ARE STOPPED.

      AND NOW INDIA BECOME THIRD -LARGEST WORLD ECONOMY!!!

  33. cutie
    February 23, 2014 at 4:46 PM

    insaan apne guno se upar uthta hai unche staan pr baith jane se nhi..caste n community created by NUT people jin logo ko khud ko dusro se shreshth batane ke liye apne aapko ek high community mein rakh liya or dusro ko niche dikhane ke liye lower community mein rakh diya gaya bina unki marzi jane…i want to tell to all bloody hindu people community ye decide nhi kregi bastard ki tum kitne high or low ho…tumhare karam tumhe upar or niche girane wale hai…arre gadho god ne insaan banaye hai caste nhi…gadho aisa hota toh christan or muslim mein bhi aise hi char community hoti bt tum log unko as all christan n as all muslim hi bolte ho…tum bloody hindu logo ne khudh hi apne bando ko khudh se alag kr diya…char community hai hindu mein let me explain it to very well suno gadho…hindu ko as a body lo us body ke char hisse tum gadho ne kiye 1st brahmin jisko sir ka staan diya or kshatriye ko bhuja or vaishya ko pait ka or tum sabki favorite community shudr jisko per ka staan diya….ab gadho batao agr per kat doge toh kya apni manzil ki taraf tunde ho ke jayoge tum sb apahiz ho yaad rkhna..agr hmari body ka ek part bhi kat jaye toh hum apahiz kehlate hai toh tum bloody hindu khudh apahiz ban chuke ho..ek bade se bada brahmin or devta bhi jb apne maa baap ntmastak hone ke liye sir jhukata hai toh woh uske charno ko choone ke liye toh akal ke andho sabse uncha staan toh shudr log prapt kr chuke hai…tum nhi tum gire huye ghatiya egoist bande ho jisko god bhi narak mein dalega….i m also brahmin bt i hate castsim okh….say no to community n caste den reservation should be stop itself…abroad isliye develop kr raha hai bcs unka mind indian ghatiya logo ki tarah nhi hai especially katar hindu..1000 saal baadh bhi india mein koi development nhi hogi yeh aise hi high low ke liye hi mrte rahenge…we all r hindu idiot we all r same koi lower or high caste nhi hai..

    • karan
      May 3, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      There is a system of social stratification among some Muslim communities that has similarity to the caste systems around the world.

      Religious, historical and socio -cultural factors have helped define the bounds of endogenous groups for Muslims in South Asia, the Middle East and other parts of world. There is a preference for endogenous marriages based on the clan-oriented nature of the society, which values and actively seeks similarities in social group identity based on several factors, including religious, sectarian, ethnic, and tribal/clan affiliation.

      In some parts of South Asia, the Muslims are divided as “ASHRAFS” and “AJLAFS”..
      “ASHRAFS” claim a superior status derived from their foreign ancestry.

      In the Fatwa-i-Jahandari (advice XXI), Turkish scholar, Ziauddin Barani(, a member of the court of Muhammad bin Tughlaq, of the Tughlaq dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate fourteenth century )wrote about the “qualities of the high-born” as being “virtuous” and the “low-born” being the “custodian of vices”. Every act which is “contaminated with meanness and based on ignominy, comes elegantly [from the "AJLAFS"].
      Barani had a clear disdain for the “AJLAFS”and strongly recommended that they be denied education, lest they usurp the Ashraf masters. He sought appropriate religious sanction to that effect.
      Barani also developed an elaborate system of promotion and demotion of Imperial officers (“Wazirs”) that was primarily on the basis of their caste.

      In addition to the “ASHRAFS”/ “AJLAFS”..divide, there is also the “ARJALS”caste among Muslims, who were regarded by anti-Caste activists like as the equivalent of untouchables.
      The term “ARJALS” stands for “degraded” and the “ARJAL” castes are further subdivided into Bhanar, Halalkhor, Hijra, Kasbi, Lalbegi, Maugta, Mehtar etc.
      The”ARJALS”group was recorded in the 1901 census in India and are also called Muslims “with whom no other Muhammadan would associate, and who are forbidden to enter the mosque or to use the public burial ground”.
      They are relegated to “menial” professions such as scavenging and carrying night soil.

  34. April 13, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    What do you think are the effects of First past the post system on our caste system? First past the post system encourages political parties to group people and target those groups instead of individuals. Do you think that might have encouraged the rigidity of castes in India?

  35. Sandeep
    October 11, 2005 at 11:44 AM

    >>My concern is with this human rights issue.
    Which is exactly what I echoed in my post albeit in a different language: the caste system we see today is the utmost depravity of its original conception. This is why it has (sadly) become a human rights issue. However, this doesn’t mean it can’t be corrected. The first step as they say, is to begin at the beginning: at the root, to spread awareness about and educate people about the concept of rta. The world then will surely be a more peaceful place :)

    But thanks to YOU first for providing me the impetus to do this post.

  36. Jaffna
    October 11, 2005 at 9:28 AM

    Sandeep

    Thanks for the insightful commentaries. You provide a useful discussion. I liked your quotes from the Mahabharata and the Taittriya Upanishad.

    However, we do need to be careful of the fact that caste as practiced is directly linked with the deprivation of those lower in the social ladder. My concern is with this human rights issue.

    Have a blessed Navaratri

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