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		<title>By: larissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>larissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested in the history of religions, I have always thought the proper understandnig of the development of the mystery cults in Greece would give some insight into the development of Christianity. There have been many recent interesting discoveries in  this field such as the discovery of the Orphic Bible--and new discoveries continue to be made by scholars in this field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested in the history of religions, I have always thought the proper understandnig of the development of the mystery cults in Greece would give some insight into the development of Christianity. There have been many recent interesting discoveries in  this field such as the discovery of the Orphic Bible&#8211;and new discoveries continue to be made by scholars in this field.</p>
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		<title>By: larissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>larissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I really doubt that at this point being certain on the actual historical existence of Jesus matters for intelligent Christians  in terms of the overall religion except for those who believe that every word in the bible has to conform to scientific fact --when you read great Christian writers like Soren Kierkegaard (very interesting account of why he thinks even if you lived day in and out with Jesus it is irrelevant) and Paul Tillich and William James--these are men who have a deep understanding of religion within their point of reference which is Christianity. Christianity is also a culture of people in that it has been around in the West for 2000 years, and whatever its basis, it has been around in the West for a long time and contributed to the culture--so theologians will attempt to make religion meaningful for people--and if they are not successful then people will become religious in some way or other as most men cannot live without religion. 
Just as all Hindus cannot be expected to be Christians, those intelligent people who find Christianity meaningful will attempt to make Christianity continue to be meaningful for other Christians--any meaningful critique will come from Christians themselves or within the context of Christian societies.
When I read people like Kierkegaard, Tillich and William James--I learn some  things and don&#039;t cease to be a Hindu--but this is a typically Hindu attitude towards other religions. I recall a Hindu woman who I once logded with as a student in the States was constantly harassed by evangelicals--the evangelicals wanted her to convert evidently, and their view of religion was a very narrow one. They gave her a beautiful scholarly edition of the bible--her reaction? It&#039;s a holy book , she said and she treated it with respect. This is a typical Hindu attitude. This lady&#039;s attitude was far superior to the people whose agenda it was to get her to convert.
A wonderful book I read on Buddhism was by a Catholic priest who had a great deal of respect for Buddhism who happened to be my brother&#039;s professor of religion. He is a priest and a devout Catholic despite his authorship of the book on Buddhism.
So if people&#039;s beliefs change, they will change as Christians...
And we all know that it is not fitting for Christians to aggressively want to turn Hindus into Christians just as it is for the Christians to sort out problems within their own religion, but I also know some benign Christians who do not look down on me for being HIndu or wish to convert me, although it is very hard for them to understand Hinduism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I really doubt that at this point being certain on the actual historical existence of Jesus matters for intelligent Christians  in terms of the overall religion except for those who believe that every word in the bible has to conform to scientific fact &#8211;when you read great Christian writers like Soren Kierkegaard (very interesting account of why he thinks even if you lived day in and out with Jesus it is irrelevant) and Paul Tillich and William James&#8211;these are men who have a deep understanding of religion within their point of reference which is Christianity. Christianity is also a culture of people in that it has been around in the West for 2000 years, and whatever its basis, it has been around in the West for a long time and contributed to the culture&#8211;so theologians will attempt to make religion meaningful for people&#8211;and if they are not successful then people will become religious in some way or other as most men cannot live without religion.<br />
Just as all Hindus cannot be expected to be Christians, those intelligent people who find Christianity meaningful will attempt to make Christianity continue to be meaningful for other Christians&#8211;any meaningful critique will come from Christians themselves or within the context of Christian societies.<br />
When I read people like Kierkegaard, Tillich and William James&#8211;I learn some  things and don&#8217;t cease to be a Hindu&#8211;but this is a typically Hindu attitude towards other religions. I recall a Hindu woman who I once logded with as a student in the States was constantly harassed by evangelicals&#8211;the evangelicals wanted her to convert evidently, and their view of religion was a very narrow one. They gave her a beautiful scholarly edition of the bible&#8211;her reaction? It&#8217;s a holy book , she said and she treated it with respect. This is a typical Hindu attitude. This lady&#8217;s attitude was far superior to the people whose agenda it was to get her to convert.<br />
A wonderful book I read on Buddhism was by a Catholic priest who had a great deal of respect for Buddhism who happened to be my brother&#8217;s professor of religion. He is a priest and a devout Catholic despite his authorship of the book on Buddhism.<br />
So if people&#8217;s beliefs change, they will change as Christians&#8230;<br />
And we all know that it is not fitting for Christians to aggressively want to turn Hindus into Christians just as it is for the Christians to sort out problems within their own religion, but I also know some benign Christians who do not look down on me for being HIndu or wish to convert me, although it is very hard for them to understand Hinduism.</p>
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		<title>By: w j carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>w j carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DSS were mean&#039;t to be discovered due to the nature of concealment(lack of) in caves.There will be another copy(possibly the originals),still to be found and probably in the qumran area.They will be in a totally opposite situation to the caves.Somebody may be walking over them right now?
(Just my opinion !!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DSS were mean&#8217;t to be discovered due to the nature of concealment(lack of) in caves.There will be another copy(possibly the originals),still to be found and probably in the qumran area.They will be in a totally opposite situation to the caves.Somebody may be walking over them right now?<br />
(Just my opinion !!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Vusi, Johannesburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vusi, Johannesburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth does not does remain hidden forever. It emerges when least expected and from unexpected sources, at times. Read &quot;Jesus lived in India&quot;, by Helger Kersten, and see how dogma is challenged, in many of its forms.

15 April 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth does not does remain hidden forever. It emerges when least expected and from unexpected sources, at times. Read &#8220;Jesus lived in India&#8221;, by Helger Kersten, and see how dogma is challenged, in many of its forms.</p>
<p>15 April 2008</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was while I was a Trappist monk in Berryville, VA in the early 1960&#039;s that I first became curious about the whole subject of epistemology and the sociology of knowledge, and long before I had a name for it, my first real go at it was a jarring firsthand glimpse into the closed-door politics of scripture authentication.

The community I was in had several exegetes and one recognized Biblical linguist. For the first three years I was there, this fellow was at the Ã‰cole Biblique in Jerusalem, where the Dead Sea scrolls were then kept under very tight security. His mission at the Ã‰cole was to be one of the scholars to add his expertise to the then new (1963) translation, &quot;The Jerusalem Bible.&quot; His particular bailiwick was his fluency in eight ancient Semitic dialects including Aramaic, plus the Septuagint Greek and the spoken Greek of the New Testament era. Fr. Cyril (sorry, I can&#039;t remember the fellow&#039;s last name) would read us a passage from Isaiah in the RSV, for example, and then sight-translate it back into ancient Hebrew and then into Canaanite so we could hear the poetic cadence of the galloping horses. But I digress.

Upon his return from Jerusalem, he gradually shared with us his own and the other translators&#039; disappointment and frustration when their input was repeatedly overruled by ecclesiastical censors on the grounds that their understanding of many passages rendered them unfit to print, because they failed to support established doctrines. In one very memorable instance, I recall him discussing the Hebrew word which has always been rendered as &quot;commandment,&quot; which from the usage in other writings of that time should be more accurately translated as &quot;maxim&quot; or &quot;truism.&quot; 

Now I didn&#039;t know Cyril prior to his sojourn in Jerusalem. but suffice it to say that was a man who was both deeply pious and obviously troubled by something much more threatening than a snub from his superiors. Nor do I believe he would have been much bothered by John Marco Allegro&#039;s take on it all. Whatever was bothering Fr. Cyril, with his incredible fluency in those dialects was whatever he had read for himself in those texts.

That was my introduction to the smoke-filled room, if you will, of scripture translation and authentication. Sadly, Fr. Cyril and two other monks were killed instantly in 1967 when their car collided with a Greyhound bus on U.S, Rte. 7 between Berryville and Winchester, VA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was while I was a Trappist monk in Berryville, VA in the early 1960&#8217;s that I first became curious about the whole subject of epistemology and the sociology of knowledge, and long before I had a name for it, my first real go at it was a jarring firsthand glimpse into the closed-door politics of scripture authentication.</p>
<p>The community I was in had several exegetes and one recognized Biblical linguist. For the first three years I was there, this fellow was at the Ã‰cole Biblique in Jerusalem, where the Dead Sea scrolls were then kept under very tight security. His mission at the Ã‰cole was to be one of the scholars to add his expertise to the then new (1963) translation, &#8220;The Jerusalem Bible.&#8221; His particular bailiwick was his fluency in eight ancient Semitic dialects including Aramaic, plus the Septuagint Greek and the spoken Greek of the New Testament era. Fr. Cyril (sorry, I can&#8217;t remember the fellow&#8217;s last name) would read us a passage from Isaiah in the RSV, for example, and then sight-translate it back into ancient Hebrew and then into Canaanite so we could hear the poetic cadence of the galloping horses. But I digress.</p>
<p>Upon his return from Jerusalem, he gradually shared with us his own and the other translators&#8217; disappointment and frustration when their input was repeatedly overruled by ecclesiastical censors on the grounds that their understanding of many passages rendered them unfit to print, because they failed to support established doctrines. In one very memorable instance, I recall him discussing the Hebrew word which has always been rendered as &#8220;commandment,&#8221; which from the usage in other writings of that time should be more accurately translated as &#8220;maxim&#8221; or &#8220;truism.&#8221; </p>
<p>Now I didn&#8217;t know Cyril prior to his sojourn in Jerusalem. but suffice it to say that was a man who was both deeply pious and obviously troubled by something much more threatening than a snub from his superiors. Nor do I believe he would have been much bothered by John Marco Allegro&#8217;s take on it all. Whatever was bothering Fr. Cyril, with his incredible fluency in those dialects was whatever he had read for himself in those texts.</p>
<p>That was my introduction to the smoke-filled room, if you will, of scripture translation and authentication. Sadly, Fr. Cyril and two other monks were killed instantly in 1967 when their car collided with a Greyhound bus on U.S, Rte. 7 between Berryville and Winchester, VA.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashish</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2006/01/07/profiles-in-deception-the-dead-sea-scrolls/comment-page-1/#comment-217008</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandeep, great line of inquiry, and one which is far overdue for some Indians who see no problem &quot;accepting&quot; an exclusivist, dividing religion like xtianity, but increasingly see benign, uniting, indigenous religion as &quot;a collection of myths&quot;.

Somewhere down the line you need to look at Caesar&#039;s Messiah, a book that lists how Jesus could not have existed, since his life story is so very closely based on the story of Titus, the Roman Caesar Vespasian&#039;s elder son. Titus was literally &quot;sent by his father&quot; to subdue the messianic Jews. He started his campaign against them at the Lake (called Sea) of Gallillee, where Roman soldiers in boats hunted down fleeing Jewish rebels in the water. They would catch these men like fish, bring them on board, and kill them.  They joked that this was like &quot;fishing for men&quot;. &quot;Fishing for men&quot; at the sea of Gallillee is how Jesus begins his ministry. See the parallel?

There are many more parallels which occur in Titus&#039; and Jesus&#039; life in the same sequence, and the chance that thses parallels occur randomly, in the same sequence, is next to 0.

http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html

There is a &quot;summary&quot; provided on the page linked above..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandeep, great line of inquiry, and one which is far overdue for some Indians who see no problem &#8220;accepting&#8221; an exclusivist, dividing religion like xtianity, but increasingly see benign, uniting, indigenous religion as &#8220;a collection of myths&#8221;.</p>
<p>Somewhere down the line you need to look at Caesar&#8217;s Messiah, a book that lists how Jesus could not have existed, since his life story is so very closely based on the story of Titus, the Roman Caesar Vespasian&#8217;s elder son. Titus was literally &#8220;sent by his father&#8221; to subdue the messianic Jews. He started his campaign against them at the Lake (called Sea) of Gallillee, where Roman soldiers in boats hunted down fleeing Jewish rebels in the water. They would catch these men like fish, bring them on board, and kill them.  They joked that this was like &#8220;fishing for men&#8221;. &#8220;Fishing for men&#8221; at the sea of Gallillee is how Jesus begins his ministry. See the parallel?</p>
<p>There are many more parallels which occur in Titus&#8217; and Jesus&#8217; life in the same sequence, and the chance that thses parallels occur randomly, in the same sequence, is next to 0.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html</a></p>
<p>There is a &#8220;summary&#8221; provided on the page linked above..</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaffna,

More fascinating--to an extent alarming--is the subject itself. As for the Chronology issue, please wait for my next post on the subject. I believe that post should stimulate more discussion. BTW, I sent you a couple of emails on guest blogging here. Didn&#039;t you get them? If you didn&#039;t here&#039;s my offer: I invite you to guest blog on Seriously Sandeep, the same way you do on Secular Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaffna,</p>
<p>More fascinating&#8211;to an extent alarming&#8211;is the subject itself. As for the Chronology issue, please wait for my next post on the subject. I believe that post should stimulate more discussion. BTW, I sent you a couple of emails on guest blogging here. Didn&#8217;t you get them? If you didn&#8217;t here&#8217;s my offer: I invite you to guest blog on Seriously Sandeep, the same way you do on Secular Right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaffna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaffna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandeep,

Fascinating post. 

I also refer you to the school of textual criticism that re-examines the chronology and traditions of the Bible - both old and new testaments. Textual criticism is now part and parcel of biblical studies in the curriculum of divinity schools linked to mainstream Protestant churches. 

Best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandeep,</p>
<p>Fascinating post. </p>
<p>I also refer you to the school of textual criticism that re-examines the chronology and traditions of the Bible &#8211; both old and new testaments. Textual criticism is now part and parcel of biblical studies in the curriculum of divinity schools linked to mainstream Protestant churches. </p>
<p>Best</p>
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		<title>By: varnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>varnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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