One harmless, well-meaning governmental move to ramp up the infrastructure has steadily matured into a grave political battle fought with the secular media as an important ally. Here’s the Pioneer edit on the escalating violence in Baroda.
Vadodara violence
The Pioneer Edit Desk
Wages of vote-bank politics —- Monday’s violence in Vadodara over the demolition of a Sufi dargah deserves more than passing attention. The fact that it left four persons dead and 21 injured is certainly one reason for this. More important, however, is the question whether there should have been any violence at all. The dargah, which was that of a Sufi Saint Rashiuddin Chishti, had to be demolished for an important road-widening project. Notice, according to Mr RK Pathak, Commissioner of the Vadodara Municipal Corporation, had been given to the trustees for its removal but no response was received. According to the Mayor, Mr Sunil Solanki, three meetings had been held with representatives of the minority community to persuade them to shift the dargah and land had been offered. There would have been no violence and police firing had the offer been accepted. The question arises whether there could be any justification for the refusal to shift the structure.
The demolition was a part of a general drive to widen roads, which, as Mr Solanki said, had been going on for a fortnight and had claimed as many as 1,500 structures. According to Mr Pathak, 20 temples had also been demolished with the cooperation of the Hindus. All this raises two questions. Why should the Muslims have demurred, particularly since they do not generally consider dargahs as places of religious worship, and when Hindus had cooperated with the removal or shifting of temples? Can there be any progress if opposition by a religious or other group to the demolition of a shrine or religious structure can hold up vital infrastructure development projects? And if one community can scuttle the demolition of its shrines even to make way for vital projects, will others not be tempted to do the same?
All this in turn raises the issue of minority appeasement, the principal instrument of vote-bank politics, which the Congress and the Leftist parties have been pursuing relentlessly. The UPA Government’s extraordinary response to Monday’s violence, is revealing. Mr Sri Prakash Jaiswal, Union Minister of State for Home Affairs, who rushed to Vadodara on Tuesday, made the breathtaking statement that the administration should have considered the feelings and sentiments of the minority community before demolishing the dargah. He completely overlooked the fact that it was the minority community, which had communalised a simple act of demolition to make way for development. That its response was communal is clear from the fact that it attacked not only the VMC staff carrying out the demolition and the police protecting them, but also Hindus, stabbing two of the latter to death and injuring several more. Remarkably, Mr Jaiswal said nothing about this. Nor did he condemn the anti-demolition mob violence, which injured several municipal employees and policemen. If anything, his observation, as well as the Union Ministry’s gratuitous advisory on Monday to the Gujarat Government about the need to prevent violence from spreading, is bound to encourage Muslims to be more obdurate on such issues, which in turn is bound to produce a Hindu backlash which is liable to affect Muslims adversely. But then concern for the well being of Muslims has hardly been a part of vote-bank politics.
The fun part begins now.
The secularer-than-thou Coalition of Warring Parties also known as the UPA has, expectedly, quickly chipped in with a bullying fist; its fingers continue to itch because the “fundamentalist” Modi is still in power in Gujarat. Earlier efforts to evict him from office had failed. This presents a golden opportunity. Who knows, in all Her Mercy, the Super Prime Minister might simply dismiss the errant boy from class.
In a firm message to the Narendra Modi government in Gujarat, the Centre on Wednesday asked the state to take all necessary steps to ensure that violence ends in the trouble-hit Vadodara, saying the Union government was closely watching the situation and was ready to take any action to control it.
As a political game this is surely predictable. Which also makes it easier for us to conclude that the equally-secular media must join the battle: it can’t let down its Masters. So, please do contrast the Pioneer edit with these secular news items that have rapidly appeared in the Secularest of all Newspapers, the Indian Express:
Conduct a detailed inquiry: Centre to Guj govt
Restore order in Vadodara, Centre warns Modi
Guj back on edge, man burnt alive
Vadodara admn was not cautious: Centre
Politics made dargah removal point of prestige
Every single piece casts the blame on Modi’s shoulders. We even have a pompous edit that advises how infrastructure must be implemented hinting that the tender sentiments of the “minorities” not be hurt. Pity, the edit gives away its noble intent:
Seen in isolation, the violence in Vadodara that left four people dead, two of them killed in police firing, doesn’t amount to much in a country where life is cheap. But this happened in Gujarat, where every incident must be - and usually is - seen through many prisms, and analysed for any fallout with the potential to impact life and politics across the country.
Indeed, we should see it through many prisms especially those that give us the most leeway to bash Modi the most.
What is not surprising is that none of these reports including the edit mention the temples demolished to make way for the road-widening activity. One dargah struck down is enough for the media to smell blood.
So let’s all gear up to watch the Grand Battle unfold where the media allies with political forces to damn Hindus. Yet again.
Tags: Commentary, Indian Politics, Media Watch, Pseudo Secularism Hall of Shame
On 05.03.06 Something like life says:
Malaysia for being insensitive to Hindus, I am afraid that local administration doesn’t exactly come out as very competent. The anatomy of riots in India is very complicated and I hope that someday I will be able to write about it. Update: Sandeepwrites about media bias. To say that secular media is biased like saying Paris Hilton is trash, but local administration was inept in this case. Anyway if he thinks Indian Express is biased he should sample Asian age
On 05.03.06 froginthewell says:
I agree that the papers should have written about temples being demolished, so as to provide the complete picture.
But certainly the government should have made an assessment as to how precious these shrines are to the communities ( we certainly won’t like the kAshi temple to be demolished, for instance ), before generally deciding on such a road project. Even the Malaysian government will have similar reasons for demolishing the temple. Why then wouldn’t you blame the Malaysian hindus for not cooperating with the government ( I am assuming you agree with the material you quoted ).
On 05.03.06 Khan says:
Road widening? Infrastructure? For whom?
On 05.03.06 Khan says:
Sounds so good…’We told them, they didnt listen, we had to shoot and kill them, they are unreasonable’
Please refer to this Sandeep
http://www.asianage.com/main.asp?layout=2&cat1=1&cat2=22&newsid=223099&RF=DefaultMain
Mr Gani Qureshi, the BJP’s only prominent Muslim face in Baroda who also heads its minority cell, admitted in an exclusive interview to this newspaper that “the demolition of this dargah is a very well planned conspiracy. The municipal corporation authorities had promised us that it would not be demolished. We were working upon a compromise formula, but they backed out and simply razed it.” Though the Baroda Municipal Corporation maintains that the dargah, which Muslims believe is of the Sufi saint Syed Rashiuddin Chisti, was razed just because it was an encroachment, Mr Qureshi said “this is untrue”.
However, Mr Gani Qureshi, who said he is in a tight spot since he happens to be a Muslim and with the BJP, stressed that “a dargah is not like a Hindu structure. We bury people there. How is shifting possible?” Prof. Bandukwala agreed that the corporation always wanted to demolish this dargah and was not really open to any compromise. “The community leaders were even ready to cut down the size of the dargah by half. And, more importantly, why were no negotiations initiated in this regard,” Prof. Bandukwala said, adding, “This was a mini-Babri Masjid. And they demolished it.”
On 05.03.06 Ahmed says:
Sounds so good…’We told them, they didnt listen, we had to shoot and kill them, they are unreasonable’
Please refer to this Sandeep
http://www.asianage.com/main.asp?layout=2&cat1=1&cat2=22&newsid=223099&RF=DefaultMain
Mr Gani Qureshi, the BJP’s only prominent Muslim face in Baroda who also heads its minority cell, admitted in an exclusive interview to this newspaper that “the demolition of this dargah is a very well planned conspiracy. The municipal corporation authorities had promised us that it would not be demolished. We were working upon a compromise formula, but they backed out and simply razed it.” Though the Baroda Municipal Corporation maintains that the dargah, which Muslims believe is of the Sufi saint Syed Rashiuddin Chisti, was razed just because it was an encroachment, Mr Qureshi said “this is untrue”.
However, Mr Gani Qureshi, who said he is in a tight spot since he happens to be a Muslim and with the BJP, stressed that “a dargah is not like a Hindu structure. We bury people there. How is shifting possible?” Prof. Bandukwala agreed that the corporation always wanted to demolish this dargah and was not really open to any compromise. “The community leaders were even ready to cut down the size of the dargah by half. And, more importantly, why were no negotiations initiated in this regard,” Prof. Bandukwala said, adding, “This was a mini-Babri Masjid. And they demolished it.”
On 05.03.06 Vaish says:
I sympathise with all the muslims being targetted wrongly for the attacks on Hindus.
That said it is extremely disgusting that a channel like NDTV should be so jaundiced in it’s approach.I actually logged on to the net to send a complaint mail to the channel.
Why don’t they realise that it wasn’t only the Dargah that was razed to the ground?Some temples were demolished too.And it wasn’t only Muslims who paid a price with their lives.Hindus died too.
While thousands of people(mainly Hindus if you want me to specify) went out of their way to condemn the communal clashes and targetting of innocent residents not one muslim has come out openly to berate the Doda killings when not one not two but nineteen hindus were lined up and murdered in a cold blooded manner.
Its pathetic to bring out these differences and my conscience is pricking me but when incidents and peoples’ reaction to it stares you in your face this way…. ???
On 05.04.06 Khan says:
Hi Vaish, the recent killing of Hindus in Kashmir is shameful and barbaric. I condemn it strongly as a Muslim. More than 65000 thousand people have been killed in Kashmir. The number of Muslim policemen/women who have died fighting for India and the innocent Muslims killed by terrorists is much higher than all the Hindus put together. The whole of India saw how middle-class Hindus, the base of Sangh Parivar, protested against the then BJP government for the terrorists to be released in exchange of their relatives who were held hostage by the Air India plane hijackers in Kandahar. Why only Muslims are required to prove their patriotism? Why this double standards? If India was Israel, the people would have said we are ready to sacrifice our relatives but not our nation. Why didn’t Hindus do that then? And who is killing whom, no one knows it. Just a week ago we saw how CBI indicted five army men in the killing of innocent Kashmiris who were shot dead to show they were behind the Chattisanghapore Sikh massacre. Kashmir is a dirty war waged by all. How many Hindus in India have taken to streets to protest the burning of entire Muslim villages, rape of Muslim women and killing of thousands of them by our security forces? How much money did Hindus collect to help Muslims of Gujrat, as compared to money collected for the Gujarat earth quake? Let’s stop arguing whether the chicken came first or the egg. Let us turn this page. Let us forgive and heal the wounds. It is Indians who are dying, it is Indians who are weeping, not hindus or muslims.
On 05.04.06 tramadol says:
tramadol
buy tramadol online at http://demo.lyceum.ibiblio.org/tramadol/ 6
On 05.04.06 Parimal Gupta says:
barkha dutt of ndtv was all over the place , sympathising with the muslim victims of baroda. family of the muslim victim [his name being pronounced all the time intentionally by madam barkha] was shown howling and crying. interviews were taken with his brothers and sisters. NDTV and Ms Dutt conviniently forgot that two very young Hindus were killed by a muslim mob the very same day. both of them the only earning members of their family.
Also the award winning journalist was no where to be seen when 35 hindus were lined up and gunned down on orders of her favourite country, pakistan.I guess its only a matter of time when people like madani and dawood would be on the discussion panel at ndtv.
On 05.04.06 Vaish says:
khan,
What you say is true.We have all religions and ethnic groups serving in the armed forces.
And its true the we never lose an opportunity to see how muslims react to a so called ‘Hindu’ problem.But my ire is mainly directed at the media and their coverage of issues.The power of the mass media is such that it can whip up a lot of frenzy and hysteria at the same time it has immense power to draw sympathy and convey the sane voices in the society.
No on is asking them to prvide rose tinted view.We know all is not hunky dory only too well.
Its perhaps inherent in the Indian blood-Hindu ,Muslim,Sikh, Christian,parsee et al.We are reticent and complacent.There’s no use raising a cry only when our houses are burning.Maybe it isn’t that far away as we think.This escapist attitude of ours, like a cat that shuts its eyes and drinks milk will drown out all the moderate voices and thats why we are falsely percieved, in the west as well as the east as a volatile lot with a mob mentality, like Alice Patten says in RDB”Just looking for an excuse to kill each other.” Can we prove that wrong?
On 05.07.06 RR says:
Yes, they were told, they didn’t listen, they started attacking the police, they killed two innocent Hindus, and they had to be shot at, “Khan”.
Use Asian Age for your morning ritual and save on toilet paper. Just friendly adice; take it ot leave it.
On 05.08.06 Blogging The Media Blogs says:
governmental moves. Or well-meaning moves by Muslims. Everything is a threat, a muscle-flexing - by one or the other of the two parties. Pioneer is another newspaper that wallows such angelic ideas. Its editor Chandan mitra’s closeness to the BJPhelped it become so. The right wing says that Muslims are irresponsible or worse, and then pretends that they are not so when it wants to demolish something. Any demolition has enormous significance in India now - and without taking the other party into confidence (Take
On 05.11.06 Khan says:
Hi RR,
I feel sorry that you can’t think beyond what you said.
Hate hurts. It’s Indians who died. Not Hindus or Muslim.
Peace
On 05.11.06 RR says:
Hello “Khan”, I feel sorry that you are instigating hate by claiming that police fired on “muslims”. Fact is that police had to fire on Indian criminals who were attacking law enforcement and Indian Hindus. These criminals who attacked the police and Hindus are despised and disowned by Indian Muslims. Their only defenders seem to be people like you. Please don’t propagate hate by spreading the falsehood that the police killed Muslims.
By the way, how was the Asian Age experience? Did it feel rough and uncomfortable? Or smooth and enjoyable? Did you try The Hindu too?
On 05.11.06 Khan says:
Hi RR,
No defending criminals, what ever religion they belong to.
By the way, if I use the Asian Age for the purpose you said, why would I need you? Enjoy!
On 05.11.06 RR says:
Hello “Khan”,
Just to clarify: I am heterosexual. Curb your kinky thoughts. The Holy Book may have said that up there in heaven you get 72 houris and “pearl-like” boys, but right down on this earth you’ll have to make do with Asian Age.
By the way, do please stop spreading hate. There’s joy and fun in being just a human being. Try it!
On 05.12.06 Khan says:
LOL. Nice try RR, you got a black eye in this round. Better luck next time
On 05.12.06 anon says:
You seem to be enjoying yourself, “Khan”. Good for you, though I wonder whether you’ll still remain as cheerful if that roll of Asian Age is pulled out and separated from you.
But why are LOLing when all I ask you is to you to stop spreading hate and just be a human being? Is that the kind of frightening laugh that Amjad Khan delivers after driving a knife into Sanjeev Kumar?
On 05.13.06 Kurtz Wolfgang says:
Khan, you make too much ado about the secondary issues. Just answer 20 temples were demolished, no Hindu protested, 1 dargah, not even a Masjid, Muslims start riots? Why this intolerance only in Muslims? Does this school of thought(of fundamentalism and fanaticism) come from Madarassas? By the way “Khan”, before you argue or use any shit language, Just for your knowledge, I am a Muslim.
On 05.13.06 Kurtz Wolfgang says:
Khan, you make too much ado about the secondary issues. Just answer one question - 20 temples were demolished, no Hindu protested, 1 dargah, not even a Masjid, demolished after consultation, Muslims start riots? Why this intolerance only in Muslims? Does this school of thought(of fundamentalism and fanaticism) come from Madarassas? By the way “Khan”, before you argue or use any shit language, Just for your knowledge, I am a Muslim.
On 05.13.06 khan says:
ROFL. Amusing. Keep burning in your own hatred and contempt for Muslims. LOL.
On 05.15.06 khan says:
Ok Guys here comes the next round…
Got this from a Dalit Website (http://www.ambedkar.org/), originally published in The National Geographic Society (http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0306/feature1/index.html)
“To be born a Hindu in India is to enter the caste system, one of the world’s longest surviving forms of social stratification. Embedded in Indian culture for the past 1,500 years, the caste system follows a basic precept: All men are created unequal…
…Untouchables are outcasts—people considered too impure, too polluted, to rank as worthy beings. Prejudice defines their lives, particularly in the rural areas, where nearly three-quarters of India’s people live. Untouchables are shunned, insulted, banned from temples and higher caste homes, made to eat and drink from separate utensils in public places, and, in extreme but not uncommon cases, are raped, burned, lynched, and gunned down…”
By the way ‘Kurtz’, the “20 temples were demolished, no Hindu protested” were roadside temples built by the lower castes. Obviously the dalits know what would have happened if they had protested. Would the administration dare tear down the temples visited by the Upper Caste, wealthy Gujratis? Would they do this to the Akshardham or Somnath Mandir, for a development project, say to build an airport? Every one knows which class of our society is benefiting from these targetted demolitions and these huge, multi-crore rupee “development” activities through out India.
On 05.15.06 Abdul says:
Khan, people like you are a disgrace to our community. Well-healed Sunni Upper caste males like you have been keeping us lower-caste Muslims by frightenening us with the bogeyman of Hindu domination. I’m not surprised by the complete shamelessness with which you try to blame Hinduism for the rampant casteism within our own faith.
This is how fatcat upper caste Muslims like you — fattening at the expense of lower caste Muslims — reacted when we dalit Muslims proposed reservations for us alone. You attacked us. You beat us up.
—
“PATNA, FEBRUARY 23: A meeting convened by the high power Sachar Committee today to identify solutions for the social, economic
and educational backwardness of India’s Muslims culminated in fists and blows over the issue of reservations for the minority community. Around half a dozen persons were injured in the clash.
Four members of the committee—constituted by the Centre to study the blockages that afflict Muslim society and to suggest steps to remove them— were here to hold meetings with different Muslim bodies and individuals. Tensions ran high when the Pasmanda Muslim Mahaj, an organisation championing the cause of Dalit Muslims, demanded that reservation to Muslims should be based on caste and not on religion. Mahaj president Ali Anwar argued that as among the Hindus, caste-based backwardness also exists in Muslim society. If reservations were extended to the Muslim community as a whole, then only the upper castes or the affluent would end up benefitting, he alleged.
This view was vehemently opposed by another group which wants the Muslim community as a whole to get reservations. They argued
that caste distinction was against Islam and stressed that the community in its entirety was backward. This led to angry protests from both sides—finally the meeting turned into a battle ground, with even chairs and flower pots being hurled in the attack. Anwar went on to allege that everything was pre-planned by State Minority Welfare secretary Aashiq Ibrahimi to throttle the voice of Dalit Muslims. He demanded a high-level probe into the incident and later boycotted the meeting.
‘‘The pre-planned attack has proved how upper castes among Muslims are trying to suppress Dalit Muslims,’’ he said. ‘‘We will continue our struggle and will not allow affluent Muslims to take advantage of reservation.’’
—-
And it is not just dalit and lower-caste Muslims that you casteist upper caste Muslims have been oppressing and treating like your slaves for centuries. The story is same with women too. In this day and age, only our women are forced to wear the veil. Tell me Hinduism is responsible for this. Tell me that we Muslims — both dalit Muslims and Sunni uppercastes — should rejoice because a couple of Hindus were killed in Vadodara.
In Orissa, a poor couple of our Muslim community is forced to live separately because the husband said talaaq when drunk. World over, civilized societies try and make quarreling couples to make up and live together. In our faith distorted by you uppercastes, our upper caste mullahs want to separate couples that want to live together!
A lecherous old man rapes his own daughter-in-law. Our uppercaste Muslims decree that the hapless woman must be separated from her husband.
Khan, as one person said rightly above, when will you uppercaste Muslims become human beings and acquire a bit of humanity? For me, it is not a case of killing Hindus, but protecting my own dignity. Stop oppressing us dalit Muslims.
On 05.15.06 anon says:
Great response, Abdul. You scorched Khan’s bottom with red-hot Australian coal. The copy of Asian Age has been burnt to ashes! I wonder how will do without it!
On 05.16.06 khan says:
Ha ha ha, the person behind “Abdul”, I would’ve appreciated if you had not accused your poor mom by claiming yourself to be a Muslim. Holy, you are so ashamed to reveal your non-muslim identity.
As for “Dalit” and “Upper caste” Muslims, your inexperience shows you don’t even know how to package and present a lie in Sangh Parivar style.
By the way, that still doesn’t answer the ‘Ambedkar.org’ site or the recent protests by upper castes against the Govt’s proposal to increase reservation quota for Dalits/OBCs in central Medical and Engineering Colleges.
On 05.16.06 Abdul says:
Hey hey hey, why is “Khan” embarrssing *his* mom by revealing the fact that she rolled in the hay to produce and inflict this blighter on the world? Where did the crime happen? In a resort in Goa? Why is the buffoon so ashamed of his identity?
The first act of any bigot when caught out is to try and deny facts. Caste opporession is rampant in Islam, and I prodcued a news report showing how we dalit muslims are fighting back. But this sunni upper caste well-heeled “Khan” denies it, a la Islamic fundamementalists like Shahabuddin and Javed Akhtar. And doesn’t answer my question on how ambedkar.org exonerates the bigotry perpetrated within Islam — which as a Muslim I am concerned about, and which is perpetrated by the likes of “Khan”.
On 05.16.06 khan says:
Nice try “Abdul”, how about we all converting to Buddhism
? Like the one down here. Enjoy baby!
The Rediff Interview/Udit Raj, Chairman, SC/ST Federation
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/may/16inter2.htm?q=tp&file=.htm
‘What more do the upper castes want?’
May 16, 2006
Dr Udit Raj (formerly Ram Raj) is the chairman of the All-India Confederation of the Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe Federations.
In 2001 he embraced Buddhism. “Conversion is a rejection of whatever caste stands for. It is a great walkout from Hinduism,” says the man who is now a follower of Dr B R Ambedkar and supports conversion as “a healthy process.”
On 05.17.06 Abdul says:
Follower of Ambedkar? The same Ambedkar who said:
—-
“This is the basis of pan-Islamism. It is this which leads every
Musalman in India to say that he is Muslim first and Indian
afterwards. It is this sentiment which explains why the Indian Muslim
has taken so small a part in the advancement of India but has spent
himself to exhaustion by taking up the cause of Muslim countries and
why Muslim countries occupy the first place and India occupies a
second place in his thoughts.
Hinduism is said to divide people and in contrast Islam is said to
bind people together. This is only a half-truth. For Islam divides
as inexorably as it binds. the distinction that it makes between
Muslims and non-Muslims is a very real, very positive and very
alienating distinction.
The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It
is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. In other words, Islam can
never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard
a Hindu as his kith and kin”
—
I have not heard even Hindutvavadis say anti-Muslim things like this. While Ambedkar rubbished my faith, Islam, he also utetred other falsehoods: that there is a brotherhood in Islam. Nonsense. Uppercaste Muslim bigots like you, and uppercaste Muslims like Shahabuddin and Javed Akhtar lining their pockets in the name of Islam, are standing testimony to this ‘bortherhood’. In Patna, we ask for reservations. What dod you do? You unleash fascist violence against us. But you instigate us against Hindus and when Hindus retaliate, it is us poor Dalit Muslims who take the brunt of that retaliation, while you don the hats of human rights activists, go to Saudi, and wangle lots of petrodollars in the name of our dead.
Before I can even think of changing my religion, you uppercaste Muslim bigots first need to guarantee that I will be allowed to live in peace after changing my religion. Get Javed Akhtar, Shabana Azmi and other Islamic extremists to roundly condemn the proscritions against “blasphemy” laws that uppercaste Muslims use to hold us in terror. You are not even letting a couple live together. No court of the land can protect them. No court of the land can protect the lady raped by her own father-in-law. Will you bigots let a convert live in peace? A man in Afghanistan almost lost his life for the crime of changing his religion, only recently.
You will definitely benefit from changing your religion Khan, given that you are under the thall of uppercaste mullahs. Your contempt of dalit Muslims, your lust for non-Muslim blood reveal that infleunce very clearly. To get away from that influence, you need to change your faith, nothing else will work. As for me, I have dignity and self-respect, and I will fight for my rights within my faith.
On 05.18.06 Dalit says:
Veekale, why are you upper caste Muslims instigating your dalit Muslims against us dalit Hindus? Recently, in UP, we were attacked by a Muslim mob and harrassed. Are both dalit Hindus and upeprcaste Hindus equally kaffir in your god’s book? and both are to be equally killed off? why did you uppercaste Muslims eliminate us dalit Hindus who trusted you and remained in Pakistan in 1947?
On 05.26.06 Nolvadex says:
HI! great site! My name is Nolvadex! I like it! Thanks!
http://Nolvadex.koshkitko.info
On 09.07.06 sex dvd says:
sex dvd
On 09.24.06 reinimat says:
I thnk that there is no necessity to make heavy weather of describing how nice your site is! Everyone can find here all he or she need!
On 09.26.06 reinimat says:
Hello, I found you at the Search Engine. Nice web page, Best WishesI like your site;I will return here again
———————————————
http://allmywomen.com/personal/images/me/incest/
On 09.30.06 lindatund says:
I agree with the some of the other posts in this guestbook: This site is nicely made - congratulations on a job well done!
——————–Welcome to My home Pages—————————–
claritin
http://rteksystems.com/SFLib/
On 10.10.06 Janny2006 says:
Don’t you know, which breast enlargement way is more effective:
surgery or [url=http://www.boostabreast.com] breast enlargement pills[/url]?
On 10.10.06 veryverypoor says:
I want to buy phentermine diet pill online, can some body advise me where I can buy phentermine diet pill online? I find this sites
buy phentermine online, [URL=http://buy-phentermine-diet-pill-online.prevet.biz/]buy phentermine online[/URL] ,http://buy-phentermine-diet-pill-online.prevet.biz/.
Is this a good sites to buy phentermine diet pill online?
On 10.12.06 Green_Monkey23 says:
Sorry for your time…. Why i can’t see images on this resource?
My Browser is: Opera.
Thank you.
On 10.14.06 aldo shoes 77 says:
Hello! Nice design Much data here.
[url=http://aldo-shoes.shoes.us01.info]aldo shoes[/url] http://aldo-shoes.shoes.us01.info
10x! Good bye!
On 06.14.07 Nathanael Tinker says:
This one makes sence “One’s first step in wisdom is to kuesstion everything - and one’s last is to come to terms with everything.”