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		<title>By: Indian patriot</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2006/05/04/hindu-baiting-new-york-times/#comment-187765</link>
		<dc:creator>Indian patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ask me to argue with facts.  You have no facts and no arguments! 
Your main complaints are 1) that the NYT has given a good review to a movie by Deepa Mehta.
2)Deepa Mehta is an opportunist who wants to show India (by that you mean Hindus) in a bad light in order to gain accolades from white skinned westerners.
3)Muslims are much worse than Hindus and she would not dare show such stuff about them otherwise she would be killed or worse.
4) The media is biased and liberal/communist and is always anti Hindu.

You statement about widow remarriage makes no sense. 
 Of couse it is society which prohibited widows from remarrying.  And if that prohibition was not cruel than what is? And yes that society was the Hindu society. And that makes them barbarians w.r.t widow remarriange (and caste system too) by the way. And what exactly are we supposed to see from the widow's perspective?
You ask why Deepa Mehta does not show the plight of muslim women? 
Why should she?  Is it obligatory to show the plight of muslim women whenever one makes a movie about Hindu women?  Is she supposed to write in bold letters on screen "The life of widows in India was/is bad, but hey, muslim women in burka are so much worse off so every thing is fine and dandy"
I will concede you two points, one, if she made a movie about muslim women she would be in very hot water, but all that means is that muslim extremists are more brutal than hindu extremists. There, are you happy now?  Second, the names of the two main characters (Radha and Seeta)in Fire was an unnecessary provocation to Hindus.  But I would not go out and cause a riot over it!
Lastly, your biggest problem is that you think that  every one is out to get Hindus ie the NYT has an anti-Hindu slant or "Hindu bashes" or the international media is anti-Hindu. 
The same sort of stuff was written when Satyajit  Ray made movies depicting India's poverty, or when any filmaker made a movie criticizing any aspect of hindu India society. They were criticized for showing India in a "bad light".  Is no one ever supposed to show any thing bad about India? Maybe only govt propoganda films should be shown abroad? Maybe Indians should only be potrayed in movies happy, dancing around trees, or as super tecno-geniuses out saving the world.

Your web site is a mirror of right wing US web sites which say pretty much the same stuff as you, except they use the word Christian instead of Hindu.  All are virulently anti muslim. And all paranoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ask me to argue with facts.  You have no facts and no arguments!<br />
Your main complaints are 1) that the NYT has given a good review to a movie by Deepa Mehta.<br />
2)Deepa Mehta is an opportunist who wants to show India (by that you mean Hindus) in a bad light in order to gain accolades from white skinned westerners.<br />
3)Muslims are much worse than Hindus and she would not dare show such stuff about them otherwise she would be killed or worse.<br />
4) The media is biased and liberal/communist and is always anti Hindu.</p>
<p>You statement about widow remarriage makes no sense.<br />
 Of couse it is society which prohibited widows from remarrying.  And if that prohibition was not cruel than what is? And yes that society was the Hindu society. And that makes them barbarians w.r.t widow remarriange (and caste system too) by the way. And what exactly are we supposed to see from the widow&#8217;s perspective?<br />
You ask why Deepa Mehta does not show the plight of muslim women?<br />
Why should she?  Is it obligatory to show the plight of muslim women whenever one makes a movie about Hindu women?  Is she supposed to write in bold letters on screen &#8220;The life of widows in India was/is bad, but hey, muslim women in burka are so much worse off so every thing is fine and dandy&#8221;<br />
I will concede you two points, one, if she made a movie about muslim women she would be in very hot water, but all that means is that muslim extremists are more brutal than hindu extremists. There, are you happy now?  Second, the names of the two main characters (Radha and Seeta)in Fire was an unnecessary provocation to Hindus.  But I would not go out and cause a riot over it!<br />
Lastly, your biggest problem is that you think that  every one is out to get Hindus ie the NYT has an anti-Hindu slant or &#8220;Hindu bashes&#8221; or the international media is anti-Hindu.<br />
The same sort of stuff was written when Satyajit  Ray made movies depicting India&#8217;s poverty, or when any filmaker made a movie criticizing any aspect of hindu India society. They were criticized for showing India in a &#8220;bad light&#8221;.  Is no one ever supposed to show any thing bad about India? Maybe only govt propoganda films should be shown abroad? Maybe Indians should only be potrayed in movies happy, dancing around trees, or as super tecno-geniuses out saving the world.</p>
<p>Your web site is a mirror of right wing US web sites which say pretty much the same stuff as you, except they use the word Christian instead of Hindu.  All are virulently anti muslim. And all paranoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Palahalli</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2006/05/04/hindu-baiting-new-york-times/#comment-187756</link>
		<dc:creator>Palahalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Tch tch! I’d rather if you argued with some facts on the table. Please return."

- I hope Indian Patriot forgives this "troll" for answering in his stead...but I have some experiences to share.

a. I grew up in a huge family that was supported by two women. My own grandmother had died. One was a widow...in the olde' custom. Head shaven and draped in white. Living out of one room. Taking care of kids and such like.

The other lady was rumoured to have been my grandfather's concubine. She was not married but lived with us. She was...a sort of "help all" kind of lady. I remember...very sweet and dynamic. 

Both have since passed away..its been over 15 years now.

Come a newer generation. Aunt was widowed. Being my uncle's wife..inherited quite a sum. Son is a minor. The larger family is very unhappy however. She is not invited to any family occation. The visitations she does get is from folks who know that she is kind of "lose" with her money. Constantly hear of her being...."that widow"..."inheritor of all that money"...."what does she want all that money for??!" In short, if this lady were poor...she would have been on the streets. 

All in all....I have not seen a widow getting married in my extended family ever. And..rest assured, the family itself is highly educated and known. Upper middle class to extremely rich.

Sandeep, not certain what you mean when you ask for facts. Do you want facts that tell us "these are the realities"? That such brutalities occur at all? 

Please help us with clarity.

In the meanwhile, I found this piece that may answer Sandeep's question.

http://www.infochangeindia.org/fetaures8.jsp

If after this....one is asked to tolerate Gurumurthy's "Swadeshi" chest thumping....THAT would be a bit much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tch tch! I’d rather if you argued with some facts on the table. Please return.&#8221;</p>
<p>- I hope Indian Patriot forgives this &#8220;troll&#8221; for answering in his stead&#8230;but I have some experiences to share.</p>
<p>a. I grew up in a huge family that was supported by two women. My own grandmother had died. One was a widow&#8230;in the olde&#8217; custom. Head shaven and draped in white. Living out of one room. Taking care of kids and such like.</p>
<p>The other lady was rumoured to have been my grandfather&#8217;s concubine. She was not married but lived with us. She was&#8230;a sort of &#8220;help all&#8221; kind of lady. I remember&#8230;very sweet and dynamic. </p>
<p>Both have since passed away..its been over 15 years now.</p>
<p>Come a newer generation. Aunt was widowed. Being my uncle&#8217;s wife..inherited quite a sum. Son is a minor. The larger family is very unhappy however. She is not invited to any family occation. The visitations she does get is from folks who know that she is kind of &#8220;lose&#8221; with her money. Constantly hear of her being&#8230;.&#8221;that widow&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;inheritor of all that money&#8221;&#8230;.&#8221;what does she want all that money for??!&#8221; In short, if this lady were poor&#8230;she would have been on the streets. </p>
<p>All in all&#8230;.I have not seen a widow getting married in my extended family ever. And..rest assured, the family itself is highly educated and known. Upper middle class to extremely rich.</p>
<p>Sandeep, not certain what you mean when you ask for facts. Do you want facts that tell us &#8220;these are the realities&#8221;? That such brutalities occur at all? </p>
<p>Please help us with clarity.</p>
<p>In the meanwhile, I found this piece that may answer Sandeep&#8217;s question.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.infochangeindia.org/fetaures8.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.infochangeindia.org/fetaures8.jsp</a></p>
<p>If after this&#8230;.one is asked to tolerate Gurumurthy&#8217;s &#8220;Swadeshi&#8221; chest thumping&#8230;.THAT would be a bit much.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indian Patriot,

Tch tch! I'd rather if you argued with some facts on the table. Please return. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indian Patriot,</p>
<p>Tch tch! I&#8217;d rather if you argued with some facts on the table. Please return. <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Palahalli</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2006/05/04/hindu-baiting-new-york-times/#comment-187696</link>
		<dc:creator>Palahalli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But "Indian Patriot"...all of your statements about our widows and foetuses and ratios are true! Have you not read Gurumurthy yet??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But &#8220;Indian Patriot&#8221;&#8230;all of your statements about our widows and foetuses and ratios are true! Have you not read Gurumurthy yet??</p>
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		<title>By: Indian patriot</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2006/05/04/hindu-baiting-new-york-times/#comment-187576</link>
		<dc:creator>Indian patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a delusional bunch of whiny cry babies.  How dare the New York times carry a good review for the hated Deepa Mehta. Oh how we hate free speech!  Doesn't that bitch Deepa know that widows in India in 1930s were treated like goddesses!  Widows in rural areas in India today are treated like queens.  We don't kill female fetuses.  Our male to female ratio is the highest in the world in fact!   How dare anyone ever! ever! ever! ever! show our culture in a bad light!  We are going to stomp our feet and cry!
By the way Sandeep the right wingers on sites like LGF that you link to-Yeah they hate muslims too!  But they would string your brown ass up tree as well.  Just a word of warning-the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a delusional bunch of whiny cry babies.  How dare the New York times carry a good review for the hated Deepa Mehta. Oh how we hate free speech!  Doesn&#8217;t that bitch Deepa know that widows in India in 1930s were treated like goddesses!  Widows in rural areas in India today are treated like queens.  We don&#8217;t kill female fetuses.  Our male to female ratio is the highest in the world in fact!   How dare anyone ever! ever! ever! ever! show our culture in a bad light!  We are going to stomp our feet and cry!<br />
By the way Sandeep the right wingers on sites like LGF that you link to-Yeah they hate muslims too!  But they would string your brown ass up tree as well.  Just a word of warning-the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Anaconda</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2006/05/04/hindu-baiting-new-york-times/#comment-169817</link>
		<dc:creator>Anaconda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest Koel,
At what point in my comment do you get the feeling that a poor backward and ignorant india pleases me??? I see that you can write but not comprehend. I am appalled by your level of indifference to the status-quo. And it makes me feel sad for the country that lets you reside here and protects you by sacrificing those who care on the borders. Its as if you have clsed your eyes to all that is happening around here and gone into deep slumber.....sweet dreams then!
Lots of love and best wishes,
Anaconda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest Koel,<br />
At what point in my comment do you get the feeling that a poor backward and ignorant india pleases me??? I see that you can write but not comprehend. I am appalled by your level of indifference to the status-quo. And it makes me feel sad for the country that lets you reside here and protects you by sacrificing those who care on the borders. Its as if you have clsed your eyes to all that is happening around here and gone into deep slumber&#8230;..sweet dreams then!<br />
Lots of love and best wishes,<br />
Anaconda</p>
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		<title>By: Koel</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2006/05/04/hindu-baiting-new-york-times/#comment-169655</link>
		<dc:creator>Koel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok fine anaconda....if a poor backward and ignorant india  is wat pleases u and hindus are a bunch of pathetic people so be it...I am not wasting time arguing about it....wat u think makes no difference to me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok fine anaconda&#8230;.if a poor backward and ignorant india  is wat pleases u and hindus are a bunch of pathetic people so be it&#8230;I am not wasting time arguing about it&#8230;.wat u think makes no difference to me</p>
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		<title>By: Anaconda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anaconda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in response to KOEL cuckooing all over the place about economic revolutions and feel-good-factors.....who cares in 2006 it seems! You should know that as of 2007, women numbering in millions in the states of Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh are forced to carry human excreta on their heads and dispose it off in exchange for 6 rotis a day and Rs.30 a month. Sadly the feel-good is limited to privileged people like you who can write in english and use words like economic revolution in the first place. And because you don't care in 2006, even in 2007 the condition of women has failed to improve. To say nothing of the fact that the condition of widows in Benaras continues to be as bad as it ever was. These are realities...and there is nothing feel-good about them. Go check it out for yourself sometime on a trip to Benaras if you get time away from revolutionizing the economy or pretending to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in response to KOEL cuckooing all over the place about economic revolutions and feel-good-factors&#8230;..who cares in 2006 it seems! You should know that as of 2007, women numbering in millions in the states of Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh are forced to carry human excreta on their heads and dispose it off in exchange for 6 rotis a day and Rs.30 a month. Sadly the feel-good is limited to privileged people like you who can write in english and use words like economic revolution in the first place. And because you don&#8217;t care in 2006, even in 2007 the condition of women has failed to improve. To say nothing of the fact that the condition of widows in Benaras continues to be as bad as it ever was. These are realities&#8230;and there is nothing feel-good about them. Go check it out for yourself sometime on a trip to Benaras if you get time away from revolutionizing the economy or pretending to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Flaunting of the Liberals &#124; Seriously Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flaunting of the Liberals &#124; Seriously Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vir Sanghvi and his entire charmed circle of elite friends and reviewers are not spokesmen on India and Indian culture. Sanghvi and his cohorts know zilch about what makes Water such a despicable piece of scum. Vir Sanghvi&#8217;s fine-cocktail-sipping circle of intellectuals can never understand what values the miserable excuse for a film seeks to negate, and the distorted message it conveys about Hinduism. For the record, nobody has said anything about it being &#8220;anti-Indian.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vir Sanghvi and his entire charmed circle of elite friends and reviewers are not spokesmen on India and Indian culture. Sanghvi and his cohorts know zilch about what makes Water such a despicable piece of scum. Vir Sanghvi&#8217;s fine-cocktail-sipping circle of intellectuals can never understand what values the miserable excuse for a film seeks to negate, and the distorted message it conveys about Hinduism. For the record, nobody has said anything about it being &#8220;anti-Indian.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Another Western Gutter Inspector : seriously sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Western Gutter Inspector : seriously sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This time it&#8217;s a journalist, not a novelist. Reviewing (shallow) Water made by the self-scourging Deepa Mehta. I had covered the likes of Mehta earlier. So this review is not worth writing about. And he makes all the usual noises about the backwardness of widow-related traditions, and other blah-blahs. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This time it&#8217;s a journalist, not a novelist. Reviewing (shallow) Water made by the self-scourging Deepa Mehta. I had covered the likes of Mehta earlier. So this review is not worth writing about. And he makes all the usual noises about the backwardness of widow-related traditions, and other blah-blahs. [...]</p>
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