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IN SEXUAL SLAVERY ………………..

MORE THAN 100 MILLION , ABOUT 10 CRORE HINDUS HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED BY ALLAH’S ASSHOLES.

ALSO READ THE TYRANT OF MYSORE : TIPU SULTAN ….. THE BASTARD WHO KILLED MANY AND SECULARIST WANT TO PROJECT HIM AS

Another reason why China and Russia will forever be apart from the “West”.

All I want is to live in peace, and in order to do that I am willing to make compromises with folks having sub-70 IQ who believe in 72 virgins, 7 layered skies and flying horses. I will not try to show reason to them if they dont molest me. But even that looks like a pipe dream. Sighhh.

I will be responding to your posts in some detail a little later.

Off the top, I would like to clarify that when I responded to your post I made the assumption that I will agree with your diagnosis..Ie.Islam being the “cancer”. This much I had stated earlier also.

Secondly, my manner of resolving this issue would be to bring in more openness in religion and by protecting all dissenters. Abide by the law of the land. I know that such a stance is generally met with cynical hysterics *Im not thinking about you*…but my point is, if governments and peoples do not, today, seem to have the guts to uphold their existing fair laws…then how can anybody expect this selfsame human material to bring about the kind of “revolutionary” change that you envisage? I feel it is utopian. But of course…you are thinking of a paradigm shift in leadership. Hmmm

Thirdly, about Lawrence Auster. If you peruse his blog and follow his thought processes..you will find that he is your ally as far as “expulsions” go. Dan Pipes is mild…when compared to Auster. Anyways…Auster’s pitch is centered around the following;

1. Preservation of a “White” Western Christian Civilization. He calls himself a “Traditionalist”.

2. He is not only against Muslims; he also includes “other” Americans. E.g. Hispanics and Blacks.

3. He is fine with such “Hindu” specimens that will subserve to the concept of a superior White Western Civilization. To him, the “Non-West” may as well be the abode of the barbarian. He has in fact, used these and such terms for non-Whites. Sometime back, he took to task Canada’s Prime Minister for visiting a Gurudwara and praying like our Sikhs do.

4. He believes in “Civilizational” ghettoes. He feels each “Civilization” must maintain and confine itself to its “landmass”. “Vasudaiva Kutumbakam” is for the birds.

5. He does not support US intervention in the Middle East because he feels it is useless. Won’t do it(US) any good.

There are many more such observations. Recently, he posted an article about disenfranchising women. He feels that the presence of womenfolk in the political process “feminizes” politics and makes it veer toward “safety” and “security” thereby, disallowing tougher and more ruthless action in the domestic and international spheres…which are necessarily fraught with certain (male/masculine) risks.

The reason I found Auster so relevant is because…I have found a similar trend in our native conservative politics. Especially the manner H-Vadis have taken to the “clash” of civilizations. What is in fact hidden from many of us is the ugly underbelly of people like Auster.

I reckon, it will be only folks like Auster and Co. who will be capable of implementing the “expulsion” policy in the US and the “West”. That comes with a price tag for all of us “browns”. You have admitted as much when you spoke of accepting US hegemony.

51st State of the United States…but brown. We can always call it…Totally Tanned ;)..But “Hindu”? None can say.

I will return..as promised, in order to address your other points.

So, how does that help?”

They might be Shias and Sunnis to each other, but to us kafirs they are Muslims. Both of them worship the same paedophilic cult leader, both of them sing paeans to their mafia lord Allah and both of them are filled with the same hatred for the world at large. When Iran falls, it will not be Shias leaving Islam, it will be Muslims leaving Islam.

And mind you, whatever little cultural accomplishments Muslims can boast about, have been courtesy Iran (Persia of old) not Arabia. Iranians are the only Islamic nation who dont seek to Arabise themselves. They have an old civilization, and they take pride in its accomplishments. Believe me, Iran falling will be a big blow to the Muslims world. But direct US intervention should be avoided. It will be better to fund pro democracy dissidents.

Once we accept that, the task becomes easier. First of all if we equate Islam with cancer, which in a way it is, we will figure out that its not possible to fight cancer by any one mean. The disease is terrible, it takes a big toll on the body by eating it away from inside, and often the body is terribly weakened in the process of fighting the disease. We cannot have a peaceful battle against Islam - the term itself is a oxymoron. There will be casualties in a battle, and there will be collateral damage as well. What is important is to recognize that the alternative will be much worse. If I have to choose between an Islamic world and a world under American hegemony, I will choose the latter every time, but that is not important.

To come back to the measures, I had never said that one measure will work all the time. Different measures will have to adopted in different parts of the world. But each measure will work in some small way to end Islam as an ideology.

You say “Of course, you assume that all of these Muslims quite suddenly, will turn amnesiac about all the knowledge and science and serious facilities they have accumulated thus far.” YOu are not serious are you? What kind of knowledge and science has been acquired by Afghanistan, or Iran or Iraq or Saudi Arabia? Take out all foreign workers from saudi and stop it from exporting oil (using alternative energy sources will serve a dual purpose, it will halt global warming and it will stop Saudis from acquiring money and using it for terrorism) and Saudi will revert back to a savage, medieval bedouin land. None of the Muslim countries have made any advancement in science because they contend only Quran is true. And the only thing for which Quran is useful is for wiping your ass in the lavatory. You may want to check the article by Pervez Hoodbhoy in last week’s outlook in which he talks about abysmal state of scientific research in Muslim countries.

You say “Is the killing in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq due to a blockage of immigration?” Unknowingly you are strengthening my argument :). To the best of my knowledge not much immigration happens westward from the badlands of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq. So all these places have a high concentration of Muslims who are barred from doing anything else apart from reading the Koran and squabbling with each other. The violent verses of the Koran result in hate mongering and killing.

You say “The Iranians did not “reject” Islam under the Shah. The Turks did not “reject” Islam under Kemal Pasha”. There was a qualitiative difference between the Shah’s regime which was merely corrupt and the present regime which is not only corrupt but also oppressive.

You say “As for Islam, there are plenty of studies that show Islam as man made and Mohammed more a military leader than a Prophet of Allah.” How many Muslims accept such studies? I would suggest that you go to the Friday prayers in some mosque and make this suggestion. And if you have any dependants at home don’t forget to get your Life Insurance done before you embark on this suicidal mission :).

You say “Apart from forgetting about non-Western, non-Muslims, this does not address the issue of naturalized citizens..inhabitants with ancestry in the West, who also happen to be Muslim.” Are you aware that most Muslim migrants who live in the West are just that - immigrants. They are not citizens. For the time being leave the citizens as they are and get along with deporting the temporary migrants. Muslims seek safety in numbers. Once the Muslims are hopelessly outnumbered in Western lands due to deportation, the remaining will behave quietly like lambs.

Your point about India is valid. We are so inured to vote bank politics, that our politicians will do nothing to address the Muslim problem. They will stoke the fire if necessary to get votes. I had stated earlier that in this cataclysmic battle against forces of barbarity, I expect India to be either a mute bystander or a minor hindrance. The battle will largely be fought by the US, Israel and perhaps some European countries. China and Russia’s roles will be important. Russia has a Muslim problem of its own in Chechnya and China has trouble brewing in some provinces.

I will go through the link I have sent you. I couldnt give a more detailed point by point rebuttal due to shortage of time. Besides, I wonder why didn’t you seek to provide your own solutions since you are well aware of the problem.