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I didn’t want to blog the Bhagalpur brutality: Indian cops are brutal sadists, worse things happen within the police darkrooms so…. yawwwwn.
But as it always, unceasingly, invariably, and unfailingly happens in India, a minor incident like this suddenly becomes a Muslim…err….Majority vs Minority issue. The stirrings have already begun:
The National Commission for Minorities (NCM) on Wednesday, sought a report from the Bihar government on the police beating of a Muslim man in Bhagalpur.
I suppose it’d be okay if a Hindu man was involved. A thief is a thief, and while I’m not condoning both mob fury and the subsequent police brutality, this mischievous murmur that the NCM has started looks promising. Taken to its logical conclusion, what the NCM says is don’t punish Muslims even if they are criminals because they are minorities first. If not anything, it’ll provide plenty of blog-fodder for me.
Now let’s wait for Teesta and her gang of secularist freebooters to begin whining.
Tags: Commentary, Indian Politics, Islam Watch, Media Watch, Pseudo Secularism Hall of Shame, Society & Culture
On 08.30.07 Alka says:
Sandeep, Hindus are like gali ka kutta. Everyone kicks them at their whims and fancies and convenience.
On 08.30.07 Palahalli says:
Sandeep…how often do you see conservatives pick up issues of police brutality?
I hope you would have still started this thread if it were a “Hindu” being beaten up like a dog.
Regards,
On 08.30.07 Palahalli says:
What is worse is THIS - “a minor incident like this…”
On 08.30.07 Sandeep says:
Palahalli,
Principle 1: None of my blog entries exist in a vacuum. They’re mostly reactions to stuff that happens and that I find interesting enough to write about.
Do we agree on that?
>>I hope you would have still started this thread if it were a “Hindu” being beaten up like a dog.
I would have IF some moron from a Hindu organization had issued statements like the idiotic NCM has done in this case. Is that explanation clear enough?
>>What is worse is THIS - “a minor incident like this…”
Really? What’s so major about it?
On 08.30.07 Anonymous says:
Palahalli,
Man i am impressed. Is this is your full time job?
No seriously?
On 08.30.07 Palahalli says:
Sandeep:
Principle 1: None of my blog entries exist in a vacuum. They’re mostly reactions to stuff that happens and that I find interesting enough to write about.
Do we agree on that?
- Sandeep, I hope this does not become cause for great irritation on your part…but please allow me to persist.
As a commentor, can I retain the right to also question? Even a blog owner…? Of course I understand that the blog owner has the right to initiate any kind of discussion on any kind of topic/issue that interests him/her.
*****
>>I hope you would have still started this thread if it were a “Hindu” being beaten up like a dog.
I would have IF some moron from a Hindu organization had issued statements like the idiotic NCM has done in this case. Is that explanation clear enough?
- Clarified.
*****
>>What is worse is THIS - “a minor incident like this…”
Really? What’s so major about it?
- That a man is lynched and dragged on the streets tied to a police bike with a policeman doing the dragging…with nary a bother that this is also being videographed, is minor? I am happy the Bihar Govt did not think so.
Thank you.
On 08.30.07 Palahalli says:
Anon, your not doing too badly yourself
It’s called time management.
On 08.30.07 nkota says:
@Pale
“a minor incident like this…” was with respect to the majority minority theme
, it is a major issue with respect to police brutality
I think sandeep had made it clear when he said “I’m not condoning both mob fury and the subsequent police brutality” “Indian cops are brutal sadists”
The amount of intersection between this issue and majority minority theme is minimal ,barely existent
On 08.30.07 Anonymous says:
lol ! thanks dude. you just made me realize how idling and loitering can be defined as time management in the leftist’s lexicon and also it can be so infectious.
(i agree, it was inviting and i was almost trapped)
no wonder commies in bengal took this notion of time management to a different level and created an industry of argumentative indians, manufacturing and producing all round poverty.
constant debate ; zero productivity. you surely have made your “kaum” proud through your work so far…:)))
consider this as my last rejoinder to you. it was nice knowing you though (even as a parasite who sticks around as an unwanted guest).
On 08.30.07 Palahalli says:
nkota - Probably…probably not. But that’s fine.
Anon - For someone who has responded to posts as regularly as I have posted them…it’s pretty rich that you speak this way.
Plus…I’m so glad I dont assume the demeanour of a “guest” and feel obliged to suspend my reason.
Unwanted or otherwise
S’long!
On 08.31.07 Kumar says:
>>I hope you would have still started this thread if it were a “Hindu” being beaten up like a dog.
Since we don’t have any threads on this blog about ““Hindu” being beaten up like a dog”, we ought to infer that no Hindus are beaten up like dogs everyday in the nation? Right?
On 08.31.07 Palahalli says:
Kumar - Technically correct. However, fact also is, there are plenty of innocent “Hindus” undergoing the police third degree on a daily basis.
My…sort of, “grouse” with Sandeep was with picking up the issue only because the NCM had done it in such a short-sighted manner. Not that THAT is not a subject in itself, but it is really very difficult to find a Right Conservative “group” that discusses issues like police brutality at all. Hence my - “I hope you would have still started this thread if it were a “Hindu” being beaten up like a dog.”
As a general rule, “Right” groups tend to lean on the coercive authority of the State. Frankly, the only time I see the “Hindu” Right complaining of police brutality is when their own activists are at the receiving end.
Of course…all of my above “analysis” would be naught if Sandeep’s blog cannot be categorized as “Right Conservative” or “”Hindu” Right”. In that case..my apologies.
Regards,
On 08.31.07 Kumar says:
Palahalli,
>>However, fact also is, there are plenty of innocent “Hindus” undergoing the police third degree on a daily basis.
Since Sandeep doesn’t have a blog or thread for these Hindus either he could be hardly called a “‘Hindu’ Right”?
>>the only time I see the “Hindu” Right complaining of police brutality is when their own activists are at the receiving end.
Pardon me if I’ve overlooked anything, but I don’t see anywhere in here Sandeep advocating the Hindu goons to be scott set free for any of their misdeeds.
Do you? If so, I’ll change my opinion about him. In fact if you find anyone other bloggers/commentators posting here do, please do so.
Of course…all of my above “analysis” would be naught if Sandeep’s blog cannot be categorized as “Right Conservative” or “”Hindu” Right”. In that case..my apologies.
I don’t personally believe in ‘right’ or ‘left’ or ‘libertarian’ or ‘labor’ or ‘islamists’ or ‘evangical-jihadi’ labels to individuals who post on blogs. The only “analysis” of interest (if there are any takers) would be how media reports are crimes and punishment:
Something like:
x% of victims were specifically by their caste/religion
y% of perpetators of the crime were specifically by their caste/religion
…and so on.
On 08.31.07 shadows says:
>>>> I hope you would have still started this thread if it were a “Hindu” being beaten up like a dog.
hahahahaha … LOLzz.. great entertainment. logical fallacies, ironies, etc etc
Now you are accusing Sandeep of something he did not do. If he does not blog about police brutality, does it mean he is not bothered or supports it?
>>> What is worse is THIS - “a minor incident like this…”
compared to terrorism and the threats we face, it sure is minor… do we have to spell it out everytime? If you read blogs or any mags or papers, please have a little sense of comparison and correct extrapolation
>>> It’s called time management.
Lack of something good to do is more apt, what?
Just amazing..
Nice troll we have here.. Trolls with good thinking, facts and logic are a real headache.. but ones like these Palahalli types are simply entertaining..
On 09.01.07 Palahalli says:
Kumar - Some observations; Curious:Why are we discussing Sandeep’s views?
1. “Since Sandeep doesn’t have a blog or thread for these Hindus either he could be hardly called a “‘Hindu’ Right”?”
- I do not know how Sandeep positions himself, is it even necessary to position oneself(?),i’m not certain. But it would be fair to say this blog is sympathetic to positions held dear by folks who would like to go under the label “HINDU RIGHT”.
My position is that “Conservatives” or “Rightists” or “Hindu-Rightists”….have traditionally been averse to raising, what they call “liberal”, “secular” issues. One of those issues would be Police brutality. Now, our police behaves in this manner with citizens who cannot and do not have the means to defend themselves. This is generalized, but close to reality.
In this particular case, I found the NCM intervention to be secondary only to the actual act of brutality. I take this position in my post.
What I found quite out of place was the manner in which this incident was approached. I found issue with, shall we say, “minor” details.
*****
2. “Pardon me if I’ve overlooked anything, but I don’t see anywhere in here Sandeep advocating the Hindu goons to be scott set free for any of their misdeeds.
Do you? If so, I’ll change my opinion about him. In fact if you find anyone other bloggers/commentators posting here do, please do so.”
- No, Sandeep does not advocate such a thing.
There is a good debate between Dilip D’Souza and Sandeep/Raghu on this (other?) blog. I found it via Shanti’s Dancing with Dogs. Would like your opinion on it.
Interestingly, when I was once on the “Right” side of this “debate”, I always held the view that the Gujarat aftermath was justified in light of Godhra. I argued that “Hindu” are frustrated with the Govt and its apparatus, with Secularists…with anybody who did not take a stand against Muslims. And, because this backlash was justified, I did not want “Hindus” involved, to be booked.
*****
3. I don’t personally believe in ‘right’ or ‘left’ or ‘libertarian’ or ‘labor’ or ‘islamists’ or ‘evangical-jihadi’ labels to individuals who post on blogs. The only “analysis” of interest (if there are any takers) would be how media reports are crimes and punishment:
Something like:
x% of victims were specifically by their caste/religion
y% of perpetators of the crime were specifically by their caste/religion
…and so on.
- Neither do I…but these (labels)are freely used
Kumar, I am not certain if an “anonymous” analysis of crime is possible. There are various factors that drive crime and some groups exhibit more than “due” proportion. Most definitly one would not agree to a sudden blackout of Islamist Terrorism and to make that simply, “Terrorism”. In India, one would have to consider Caste. In the US it’s the “Black” debate. So, in its reporting model, the media, I feel, is catering to society’s needs and is also being realistic.
*****
Shadows - You have made sense, as usual.
On 09.02.07 Kumar says:
There is a good debate between Dilip D’Souza and Sandeep/Raghu on this (other?) blog. I found it via Shanti’s Dancing with Dogs. Would like your opinion on it.
Hi Palahalli, Can you post a link to this debate. I’ll review and comment on it for sure.
On 09.02.07 Palahalli says:
Kumar, there is a sublink to Sandeep’s blog through this link - http://www.madhoo.com/archives/2004/08/interesting_deb.php
It’s longish, but worthwhile in it’s detail and thrusts.
Regards,
On 09.04.07 anony says:
Somebody had to say it! If law was enforced irrespective of whether the person was a muslim or non-muslim (not just Hindus, other faiths too are ignored, Christianity, Jains, Parsis… etc) India wouldn’t be in this psedo-secular mess that it finds itself in today.
Posted this at http://www.charchaa.com/seriously_sandeep_when_a_thief_becomes_a_muslim
On 09.05.07 Kumar says:
Palahalli,
Sorry late reply. I only wish I can manage time as well as you.
There is a good debate between Dilip D’Souza and Sandeep/Raghu on this (other?) blog. I found it via Shanti’s Dancing with Dogs. Would like your opinion on it.
Thanks for the link. Read it and as usual Dilip D’Souza has never failed to disappoint me. Admiration for Dilip D’Souza “dcubed” hit a another new low as I read that link.
There are other debates on Sandeepweb(?) where our Dilip’s holding a candle for Arundhati and somewhere else about Dilip getting his thongs twisted since his father was caught giving fake deposition in court about 93 riots. Someone ought to do some community service by opening a blog or thread called ‘Know thy dcubed’ - there’s way too much to write about this fellow’s dishonesty under guise of ‘journalism’.
On 09.06.07 Palahalli says:
Kumar - If I may, could you please let me know your points of disagreement with Dilip’s stance?
Also, please may I request a link to the false deposition you mentioned?
Regards,
On 09.07.07 Kumar says:
Palahalli,
The points are way too many to list - I will contribute to a thread/blog if someone sets up one exclusively on this issue. BarbarIndian has at times listed some, spend sometime there.
Varsha B on Rediff (God bless her soul where ever she is)
http://www.rediff.com/news/mar/21varsha.htm
Let me see, wasn’t it your father, Mr J B D’Souza, who, when interrogated by advocate Adhik Shirodkar for the Srikrishna Commission, said that he didn’t know where Jogeshwari was and had never been to Behrampada? That wouldn’t have been funny – had he not wanted to carry the case of the genocide of Behrampada’s Muslims to the UN.
On 12.02.07 amin says:
dear sandeep
thanks for messing up issue of thief with that with a muslim the brahmanical blood running in ur veins will never dry-up.keep it up main the purity of ur blood.
regards
amin