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		<title>By: Saurav Basu</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/09/11/guhas-fancies-with-freedom-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-251129</link>
		<dc:creator>Saurav Basu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check my review of India after Gandhi

http://saurav-basu.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/07/india-after-gandhi-by-ramachandra-guha-a-review-cum.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check my review of India after Gandhi</p>
<p><a href="http://saurav-basu.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/07/india-after-gandhi-by-ramachandra-guha-a-review-cum.htm" rel="nofollow">http://saurav-basu.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/07/india-after-gandhi-by-ramachandra-guha-a-review-cum.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: hariprasad</title>
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		<dc:creator>hariprasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sandeep, 

you miss the point. guha is an employee of ramachandra mission. he is trying to distribute airtime to different parts of our country in reasonable measure, so as to draw admirers from all corners. but his politics is showing. here are my thoughts on guha&#039;s politics, after reading (not yet finished) his magnum opus - india after gandhi:

1. Doon school traiing early in his life has made him not &quot;one of us&quot;, but an &quot;eavesdropper&quot;. i guess his beef with Kali worship stems from that -- as doon-schoolers-and-their-aspiring-parents-would-like-to-believe -- inconceivable elitism. i am sure guha has never heard of the beautiful lyrics of shyamasangeet, sung by the redoubtable pannalal bhattacharya. 

2. in fact, guha&#039;s typical crooked cosmopolitanism makes him schmooze those who think, eat, write, shit, speak, bark in english. the real stalwarts of our country were deeply rooted in the local -- gandhi&#039;s experiments in truth was in gujarati, tagore&#039;s songs are in bengali (i read somewhere guha doesn&#039;t like songs). indeed, that&#039;s a completely different kind of cosmopolitianism. it is like singing bharat in local languages, but singing about bharat. 

3. guha&#039;s space is carved between serious academic journals (e.g., Indian Economic &amp; Social History Review) and our hard working journalists (e.g., Hindu, The Statesman). that&#039;s his niche. from that vantage point he criticizes those who are in the US and those who are not his variety of crooked cosmopolitan. 

4. his skills are in the construction of sentences (comma, fullstop, segues) in english. good writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sandeep, </p>
<p>you miss the point. guha is an employee of ramachandra mission. he is trying to distribute airtime to different parts of our country in reasonable measure, so as to draw admirers from all corners. but his politics is showing. here are my thoughts on guha&#8217;s politics, after reading (not yet finished) his magnum opus &#8211; india after gandhi:</p>
<p>1. Doon school traiing early in his life has made him not &#8220;one of us&#8221;, but an &#8220;eavesdropper&#8221;. i guess his beef with Kali worship stems from that &#8212; as doon-schoolers-and-their-aspiring-parents-would-like-to-believe &#8212; inconceivable elitism. i am sure guha has never heard of the beautiful lyrics of shyamasangeet, sung by the redoubtable pannalal bhattacharya. </p>
<p>2. in fact, guha&#8217;s typical crooked cosmopolitanism makes him schmooze those who think, eat, write, shit, speak, bark in english. the real stalwarts of our country were deeply rooted in the local &#8212; gandhi&#8217;s experiments in truth was in gujarati, tagore&#8217;s songs are in bengali (i read somewhere guha doesn&#8217;t like songs). indeed, that&#8217;s a completely different kind of cosmopolitianism. it is like singing bharat in local languages, but singing about bharat. </p>
<p>3. guha&#8217;s space is carved between serious academic journals (e.g., Indian Economic &amp; Social History Review) and our hard working journalists (e.g., Hindu, The Statesman). that&#8217;s his niche. from that vantage point he criticizes those who are in the US and those who are not his variety of crooked cosmopolitan. </p>
<p>4. his skills are in the construction of sentences (comma, fullstop, segues) in english. good writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Bengali Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bengali Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. I like the way you are thinking. I also used to think like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I like the way you are thinking. I also used to think like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Psychoanalyzing the Psychoanalyst &#187; Seriously Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psychoanalyzing the Psychoanalyst &#187; Seriously Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As an intellectual nobody cares about, Nandy, like that other sham-historian, Guha, targets Gujaratis as a specific race. The reason is right at hand: how dare they re-elect a &quot;dangerous&quot; man like Modi. More alarmingly, it looks like the election this year is again loaded in his favour. The Fearless Paper admits this in its &quot;exit&quot; polls. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As an intellectual nobody cares about, Nandy, like that other sham-historian, Guha, targets Gujaratis as a specific race. The reason is right at hand: how dare they re-elect a &quot;dangerous&quot; man like Modi. More alarmingly, it looks like the election this year is again loaded in his favour. The Fearless Paper admits this in its &quot;exit&quot; polls. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Saurav Basu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saurav Basu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kindly go through my rebuttal of Guha&#039;s article in outlook &quot;The better Half&quot;

http://azygos.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/07/southy-sunburns.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kindly go through my rebuttal of Guha&#8217;s article in outlook &#8220;The better Half&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://azygos.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/07/southy-sunburns.htm" rel="nofollow">http://azygos.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/07/southy-sunburns.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blogging, Journalists and Writers &#124; Writing Cave</title>
		<link>http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/09/11/guhas-fancies-with-freedom-fighters/comment-page-1/#comment-189369</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogging, Journalists and Writers &#124; Writing Cave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sandeep on his blog dissects an article published in The Hindustan Times written by some extremely biased (or clueless, a greater possibility) historian/writer named Ramachandra Guha. My analytical writing has been living in the dumps for quite some time but Sandeep&#8217;s take on Guha&#8217;s politically and culturally confused contemplations is quite engaging. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sandeep on his blog dissects an article published in The Hindustan Times written by some extremely biased (or clueless, a greater possibility) historian/writer named Ramachandra Guha. My analytical writing has been living in the dumps for quite some time but Sandeep&#8217;s take on Guha&#8217;s politically and culturally confused contemplations is quite engaging. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we acknolwedge Gandhi&#039;s role in galvanizing the country and precipitating the outcome of the freedom struggle, India&#039;s independence was a historical inevitability. Guha is making the same blunder that he is acccusing his detractors of: fetishizing one set of freedom fighters (eg: Ganghi/Nehru) as being solely responisble for our freedom over others (Subhash Bose etc). A &#039;violent&#039; struggle is a legitimate option when the targets of the &#039;violence&#039; are armed combatants and the rules of the engangement are within the framework of war. 

I agree with other commentatators that Guha is an over-rated, media-made historian who made clever moves in establishing himself as a brand. The sweeping statement is the chief weapon in his armour, and dissing well-known people is how he seeks prominence for himself. Recall that he came into limelight chiefly when he clashed with another pompous windbag, Arundhati Roy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we acknolwedge Gandhi&#8217;s role in galvanizing the country and precipitating the outcome of the freedom struggle, India&#8217;s independence was a historical inevitability. Guha is making the same blunder that he is acccusing his detractors of: fetishizing one set of freedom fighters (eg: Ganghi/Nehru) as being solely responisble for our freedom over others (Subhash Bose etc). A &#8216;violent&#8217; struggle is a legitimate option when the targets of the &#8216;violence&#8217; are armed combatants and the rules of the engangement are within the framework of war. </p>
<p>I agree with other commentatators that Guha is an over-rated, media-made historian who made clever moves in establishing himself as a brand. The sweeping statement is the chief weapon in his armour, and dissing well-known people is how he seeks prominence for himself. Recall that he came into limelight chiefly when he clashed with another pompous windbag, Arundhati Roy.</p>
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		<title>By: kaangeya</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaangeya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Academic credentials are not worth even the paper they are printed on if the person concerned produces trash.  Sita Ram Goel took an MA in History in Delhi U.; Shourie has a PhD in Economics from Syracuse. DasGupta took his PhD at the SOAS of London U; and then taught at Nuffield, Oxford; where among otehr things he edited Nirad Chaudhuri&#039;s last book.  Romila Thapar is ignorant of any Indian language; and she and the other &quot;eminent historians&quot; have absolutely no grounding in the Indian intellectual tradition.  This is a fatal flaw since Indian writings aren&#039;t meant to be texts, or even secret codes, they are simply guides to discussion.  Guha can barely speak any language other than English; and even in English his studies are limited to a few popular texts of our times.  Not the sort of grounding you need to write a complex thing like history.  But that suits the Western press just fine, because a dumb Indian who parrots their line is easily manipulated; and serves very well as an HMV.  Otherwise why would the Western press turn to Amartya Sen when talking about Indian philosophy and not, say, Balagangadhara?  To paraphrase Baalu, Guha, Sen and Co. are at best intelligently mediocre!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Academic credentials are not worth even the paper they are printed on if the person concerned produces trash.  Sita Ram Goel took an MA in History in Delhi U.; Shourie has a PhD in Economics from Syracuse. DasGupta took his PhD at the SOAS of London U; and then taught at Nuffield, Oxford; where among otehr things he edited Nirad Chaudhuri&#8217;s last book.  Romila Thapar is ignorant of any Indian language; and she and the other &#8220;eminent historians&#8221; have absolutely no grounding in the Indian intellectual tradition.  This is a fatal flaw since Indian writings aren&#8217;t meant to be texts, or even secret codes, they are simply guides to discussion.  Guha can barely speak any language other than English; and even in English his studies are limited to a few popular texts of our times.  Not the sort of grounding you need to write a complex thing like history.  But that suits the Western press just fine, because a dumb Indian who parrots their line is easily manipulated; and serves very well as an HMV.  Otherwise why would the Western press turn to Amartya Sen when talking about Indian philosophy and not, say, Balagangadhara?  To paraphrase Baalu, Guha, Sen and Co. are at best intelligently mediocre!</p>
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		<title>By: Dipendra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dipendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandeep,

Ramachandra Guha obtained his PhD in Sociology from IIM, Calcutta. His dissertation focused on forestry conservation. IIM Calcutta is not a reputed place to obtain a PhD in Sociology! He later taught as an Adjunct Professor (i.e. non-tenured visitint staff) in several  universities in the United States. All in all, his academic credentials are mediocre despute the extraordinary sponsorship he seems to be having from unknown sources. 

The Indian media for one has provided him extensive space quite disproportionate to his intellectual antecedents. One may disagree with the Communist school of Indian history i.e. Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib, K.N. Panikkar, Sarvapali Gopal, D.D. Kosambi etc but one can not dispute that they have solid academic credentials. Others may disagree with center-right intellectuals such as Arun Shourie, Swapan Das Gupta and Sita Ram Goel but no one can dispute the rigor in which they treat their material either. 

Guha is neither - i.e. an academic of exceptional international reknown nor one of particular intellectual rigor. He is probably sponsored by the United States (hence the space provided by pro-American media outfits like the Indian Express, Outlook, CNN-IBN, Harper-Collins etc). I tend to see him as the Bollywood of contemporary Indian intelligentsia - i.e. all show but little real substance. He could well be the American response to the Marxist hold on the Indian intellectual scene - hardly better than what it seeks to replace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandeep,</p>
<p>Ramachandra Guha obtained his PhD in Sociology from IIM, Calcutta. His dissertation focused on forestry conservation. IIM Calcutta is not a reputed place to obtain a PhD in Sociology! He later taught as an Adjunct Professor (i.e. non-tenured visitint staff) in several  universities in the United States. All in all, his academic credentials are mediocre despute the extraordinary sponsorship he seems to be having from unknown sources. </p>
<p>The Indian media for one has provided him extensive space quite disproportionate to his intellectual antecedents. One may disagree with the Communist school of Indian history i.e. Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib, K.N. Panikkar, Sarvapali Gopal, D.D. Kosambi etc but one can not dispute that they have solid academic credentials. Others may disagree with center-right intellectuals such as Arun Shourie, Swapan Das Gupta and Sita Ram Goel but no one can dispute the rigor in which they treat their material either. </p>
<p>Guha is neither &#8211; i.e. an academic of exceptional international reknown nor one of particular intellectual rigor. He is probably sponsored by the United States (hence the space provided by pro-American media outfits like the Indian Express, Outlook, CNN-IBN, Harper-Collins etc). I tend to see him as the Bollywood of contemporary Indian intelligentsia &#8211; i.e. all show but little real substance. He could well be the American response to the Marxist hold on the Indian intellectual scene &#8211; hardly better than what it seeks to replace!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>India had M.K Gand(h)i and America had George Washington.
Fathers of two nations, created two democracies. One still crushes others, the other still gets crushed.

One father created a bully, the other father created a sissy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>India had M.K Gand(h)i and America had George Washington.<br />
Fathers of two nations, created two democracies. One still crushes others, the other still gets crushed.</p>
<p>One father created a bully, the other father created a sissy.</p>
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