Comments on: The Lamb Roars Again http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/ Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:01:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Seriously Sandeep » The Slimes of India’s Mask is Off http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-268025 Seriously Sandeep » The Slimes of India’s Mask is Off Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:45:50 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-268025 [...] Orissa has “affected” India’s image. Let’s also recall a similar roar when Manmohan Singh called the Gujarat riots a holocaust. While we are at it, let’s hear all the Prime Ministerial roars: this time, the roar has [...] [...] Orissa has “affected” India’s image. Let’s also recall a similar roar when Manmohan Singh called the Gujarat riots a holocaust. While we are at it, let’s hear all the Prime Ministerial roars: this time, the roar has [...]

]]> By: None to Mourn Dead Hindus » Seriously Sandeep http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-200334 None to Mourn Dead Hindus » Seriously Sandeep Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:16:40 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-200334 [...] Therefore, the State has conducted a pogrom, genocide, mass murder, and now, holocaust. [...] [...] Therefore, the State has conducted a pogrom, genocide, mass murder, and now, holocaust. [...]

]]> By: Kumar http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-196438 Kumar Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:07:49 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-196438 Over 2 years ago Arvind Lavakare had debunked the 'genocide' claims, holds good even today. http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/28arvind.htm I'll quote here <i>According to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 'genocide' refers to 'acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.' Note that little word 'a' in that definition. When Nazi Germany extinguished six million of a single group called Jews, that was genocide. When, in 1984, Congress party goons extinguished over 3,000 of a single group called Sikhs, that too was genocide. In 1989-1990, when some Muslims in the Kashmir valley slaughtered some 10,000 Kashmiri Pandits, killed or raped their women in front of their eyes, and ultimately expelled some 350,000 Pandits from their homes, that was genocide of a religious group. In Gujarat 2002, however, of the total deaths (as per the home ministry's official annual report for 2002-2003, page 6), about a third were Hindus (including 59 charred in a train compartment) and 200 in all were killed in police firing. If, at one stage, 100,000 Muslims were struggling in relief camps, so were 40,000 Hindus. Thus, Gujarat 2002 was not genocide of one ethnic community as the UNDP report alleges. Secondly, the authors of that report want us to believe that but for Gujarat 2002, the constitutional secularism of Indian democracy has by and large fulfilled its promise of all communities living in a paradise of religious pluralism. That's a falsehood. The truth is documented in the book Riots & Wrongs (India First Foundation, New Delhi, 2004) written by R N P Singh, an ex-officer of India's Intelligence Bureau who was honoured with the President's Police Medal and Indian Police Medal. Statistics cited by Singh show that communal violence in India occurred in each and every year from 1954 to 1985. The total number of communal incidents in those 31 years was 8,449 (an annual average of 273), the total number of persons killed in that period was 7,229 (an annual average of 233), and the number of persons injured in those incidents was 47,321 (an annual average of 1,526). After 1985, communal riots have also occurred in every year from 1986 to 1995, and in 1997, 2002 (besides Gujarat), and 2003. </i> Over 2 years ago Arvind Lavakare had debunked the ‘genocide’ claims, holds good even today.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/28arvind.htm

I’ll quote here
According to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, ‘genocide’ refers to ‘acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.’ Note that little word ‘a’ in that definition.

When Nazi Germany extinguished six million of a single group called Jews, that was genocide.

When, in 1984, Congress party goons extinguished over 3,000 of a single group called Sikhs, that too was genocide.

In 1989-1990, when some Muslims in the Kashmir valley slaughtered some 10,000 Kashmiri Pandits, killed or raped their women in front of their eyes, and ultimately expelled some 350,000 Pandits from their homes, that was genocide of a religious group.

In Gujarat 2002, however, of the total deaths (as per the home ministry’s official annual report for 2002-2003, page 6), about a third were Hindus (including 59 charred in a train compartment) and 200 in all were killed in police firing. If, at one stage, 100,000 Muslims were struggling in relief camps, so were 40,000 Hindus. Thus, Gujarat 2002 was not genocide of one ethnic community as the UNDP report alleges.

Secondly, the authors of that report want us to believe that but for Gujarat 2002, the constitutional secularism of Indian democracy has by and large fulfilled its promise of all communities living in a paradise of religious pluralism. That’s a falsehood. The truth is documented in the book Riots & Wrongs (India First Foundation, New Delhi, 2004) written by R N P Singh, an ex-officer of India’s Intelligence Bureau who was honoured with the President’s Police Medal and Indian Police Medal.

Statistics cited by Singh show that communal violence in India occurred in each and every year from 1954 to 1985. The total number of communal incidents in those 31 years was 8,449 (an annual average of 273), the total number of persons killed in that period was 7,229 (an annual average of 233), and the number of persons injured in those incidents was 47,321 (an annual average of 1,526).

After 1985, communal riots have also occurred in every year from 1986 to 1995, and in 1997, 2002 (besides Gujarat), and 2003.

]]> By: B Shantanu http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-196377 B Shantanu Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:59:50 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-196377 Amidst all the talk of holocaust, I wonder if anyone has any time for what may well be the largest genocide in history? http://satyameva-jayate.org/2006/10/01/the-largest-genocide-in-history/ Amidst all the talk of holocaust, I wonder if anyone has any time for what may well be the largest genocide in history?

http://satyameva-jayate.org/2006/10/01/the-largest-genocide-in-history/

]]> By: pandava http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195835 pandava Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:19:22 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195835 I see you called MMS a "puppet". The question is "a puppet for whom". All his actions such as fake nuke deal calling Indians grateful for british colonization rampant abuse of Hindus eg Shankaracharya episode clearly signify this PM as a western puppet. Why suddenly Bush and company have started singing praises of India when they were previously pouring abuse on BJP, including strip search of George Fernandez and denial of visa to Modi. I see you called MMS a “puppet”. The question is “a puppet for whom”. All his actions such as

fake nuke deal
calling Indians grateful for british colonization
rampant abuse of Hindus eg Shankaracharya episode

clearly signify this PM as a western puppet. Why suddenly Bush and company have started singing praises of India when they were previously pouring abuse on BJP, including strip search of George Fernandez and denial of visa to Modi.

]]> By: prashant http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195683 prashant Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:50:30 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195683 Dr.Singh is immoral person who stab in the back. Credit is given to him for Economic reform but the Fact is it was Narashimha Rao who sttod by him for 5 years inspite of criticism from his own party including Madam Gandhi. Remember her statement where she blamed then govt of deviating from Nehru Mixed Economy policy. And wat Dr.Singh did.... When Rao needed his support he made that (in)famous statement that "Ceaser should be....." Now in his own Govt he is having Murdered,Rapist as Minister. And most ashamed that in his pmship Narashimha Rao was not even given Due Respect on his death. Let God do the same which they do with other. Dr.Singh is immoral person who stab in the back.
Credit is given to him for Economic reform but the Fact is it was Narashimha Rao who sttod by him for 5 years inspite of criticism from his own party including Madam Gandhi.
Remember her statement where she blamed then govt of deviating from Nehru Mixed Economy policy.

And wat Dr.Singh did….
When Rao needed his support he made that (in)famous statement that “Ceaser should be…..”
Now in his own Govt he is having Murdered,Rapist as Minister.
And most ashamed that in his pmship Narashimha Rao was not even given Due Respect on his death.

Let God do the same which they do with other.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195420 Anonymous Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:54:05 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195420 Happy Vijaydashmi to you all. Hope Good prevails over Evil everywhere Even on this forum ;-) Happy Vijaydashmi to you all. Hope Good prevails over Evil everywhere

Even on this forum ;-)

]]> By: Palahalli http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195379 Palahalli Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:29:33 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195379 Chandra...yes, you have a point there. Ironically...the same Shri. Singh voiced his resentment when the US denied Modi a Visa. I guess Singh wanted to lash out and lost his balance. I will recall an anecdote. It was 1965 and the nation was at war. Shastri had called all men of influence for a conference in order to discuss the issues. There were some of the opposition who...at every given opportunity raised their voice against the government. There was one who kept saying ..."your army this..."..."your army that...". Golwalkar, who was invited and present amongst them..lost his patience and sharply reprimanded the gentleman. "Not "your" army...Say "our" army!" Then again...the Prime Minister is also a political animal. It is really not strange to find Heads of State/govt who make partisan "domestic" statements. But once they are in a foreign land..or in the company of foreigners...they must all close ranks. Chandra…yes, you have a point there. Ironically…the same Shri. Singh voiced his resentment when the US denied Modi a Visa.

I guess Singh wanted to lash out and lost his balance.

I will recall an anecdote. It was 1965 and the nation was at war. Shastri had called all men of influence for a conference in order to discuss the issues. There were some of the opposition who…at every given opportunity raised their voice against the government. There was one who kept saying …”your army this…”…”your army that…”. Golwalkar, who was invited and present amongst them..lost his patience and sharply reprimanded the gentleman. “Not “your” army…Say “our” army!”

Then again…the Prime Minister is also a political animal. It is really not strange to find Heads of State/govt who make partisan “domestic” statements. But once they are in a foreign land..or in the company of foreigners…they must all close ranks.

]]> By: Chandra http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195330 Chandra Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:45:42 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195330 Palahalli, one would think at least the country's PM would use his words carefully. And usually they do. Palahalli, one would think at least the country’s PM would use his words carefully. And usually they do.

]]> By: Palahalli http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195176 Palahalli Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:53:15 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/#comment-195176 This is the case with all "leaders" who have no base of their own...within their party or amongst the electorate. In the Congress, this is doubly difficult. No base can even be created that stands against the "family". At least, no one there seems to have the "stomach" for such a fight. I reckon Singh went in knowingly.Why? There can be a number of reasons. In so far as "holocaust" is concerned, words are indeed used freely in this country. Let's look at the accusation "traitor" bandied about by most national leaders. When was the last time some such "traitor" was tried and shot? By the Congress govts or other regimes? This is the case with all “leaders” who have no base of their own…within their party or amongst the electorate.

In the Congress, this is doubly difficult. No base can even be created that stands against the “family”. At least, no one there seems to have the “stomach” for such a fight.

I reckon Singh went in knowingly.Why? There can be a number of reasons.

In so far as “holocaust” is concerned, words are indeed used freely in this country.

Let’s look at the accusation “traitor” bandied about by most national leaders. When was the last time some such “traitor” was tried and shot? By the Congress govts or other regimes?

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