Ramanujan’s Ramayana

The old suspect, A.K. Ramanujan emerges out of the woodwork on Outlook’s pages. The magazine’s leader to this article says:

…in a pocket of the Delhi University, right-wing student activists have taken exception to this essay by the celebrated scholar A.K. Ramanujan, on the many Ramayanas living across languages and narrative genres, each different but no less legitimate than Valmiki’s epic.

Given that right-wingers are always at fault, let’s see what this inebriated celebrated essay says. The Outlook essay is a condensed form of the complete version found here. Where relevant, this post quotes from both sources.

Ramanujan dwells on why he has used the word tellings of the Ramayana instead of versions or variants.

I have come to prefer the word tellings to the usual terms versions or variants because the latter terms can and typically do imply that there is an invariant, an original or Ur-text—usually Valmiki’s Sanskrit Ramayana, the earliest and most prestigious of them all. But it is not always Valmiki’s narrative that is carried from one language to another. We have a variety of Rama tales told by others, with radical differences among them.

Granted. But there’s a more insidious reason that has entirely to do with Ramanujan. That insidious reason is unrelated to the tellings/variants/versions by themselves. Fundamentally, it serves as a foundation to build Ramanujan’s case upon.

For starters, Ramanujan says it is not always Valmiki’s Ramayana that’s carried to other languages. That begs asking this question: were these Ramayanas pulled from thin air? Assuming they were, why were all of these called Ramayana and containing the same characters? Ramanujan lists out some of these tellings complete with the radical differences.

Valmiki focuses on Rama and his history in his opening sections; Vimalasuri’s Jain Ramayana and the Thai epic focus not on Rama but on the genealogy and adventures of Ravana; the Kannada village telling focuses on Sita, her birth, her wedding, her trials. The Santhals, a tribe known for their extensive oral traditions, even conceive of Sita as unfaithful—to the shock and horror of any Hindu bred on Valmiki or Kampan, she is seduced both by Ravana and by Laksmana. In Southeast Asian texts, Hanuman is not the celibate devotee with a monkey face but a ladies’ man who figures in many love episodes. In Kampan and Tulsi, Rama is a god; in the Jain texts, he is only an evolved Jain man who is in his last birth and so does not even kill Ravana. In the latter, Ravana is a noble hero fated by his karma to fall for Sita and bring death upon himself, while he is in other texts an overweening demon.

These extreme variations are understandable and if anything, they actually emphasize the epic’s overwhelming and sustained influence, and its role in shaping entire cultures. To the extent that a specific variation is perceived with “shock and horror” by Hindus, the answer is relatively easy to find. It can be found in the culture of the borrorwer. When an epic like Ramayana finds its way to a far-off land like Malaysia or Indonesia, it is not farfetched to conclude that they will paste to it aspects and interpretations derived from their native culture.

But Ramanujan is on a different note. He quotes from these different sources to prove that the original Ramayana, more so, that Rama is not the hallow person he is held to be.

When we enter the world of Jains tellings, the Rama story no longer carries Hindu values. Indeed the Jaina texts express the feeling that the Hindus, especially the Brahmins, have maligned Ravana, made him into a villain. Here is a set of questions that a Jaina text begins by asking: “How can monkeys vanquish the powerful raksasa warriors like Ravana? How can noble men and Jaina worthies like Ravana eat flesh and drink blood? How can Kumbhakarna sleep through six months of the year, and never wake up even though boiling oil was poured into his cars, elephants were made to trample over him, and war trumpets and conches blow around him? They also say that Ravana captured Indra and dragged him handcuffed into Lanka. Who can do that to Indra? All this looks a bit fantastic and extreme. They are lies and contrary to reason.”

Ramanujan, one of the forerunners of progressive/secular literary movement, treads on familiar ground: spanking the baby and consoling it when it cries. To his credit, he had scholarship unlike the anti-Ram Mandir drumbeaters. These drumbeaters term Ramayana a work of fiction. If that’s true, why examine the Ramayana inch-by-inch and poke real and imagined holes? Ramanujan’s essay fits this mold. If a large number of people believe it is real, what gives you the authority to tamper with their beliefs?

We now come to the point of what Ramanujan is trying to prove here.

We read the scholarly modern English translation largely to gain a sense of the original Valmiki, and we consider it successful to the extent that it resembles the original. We read Kampan to read Kampan, and we judge him on his own terms—not by his resemblance to Valmiki but, if anything, by the extent that he differs from Valmiki. In the one, we rejoice in the similarity; in the other, we cherish and savor the differences .

A question for Ramanujan: why do we value the original Mona Lisa so much despite having thousands of honourable imitations? If Kamban differs from the original, it is a different work. If Kamban has captured the essence of the original, we rightfully celebrate that. But Ramanujan is not content. He strikes the final blow with a finesse that makes our head bow.

…a folk legend says that Hanuman wrote the original Ramayana on a mountaintop, after the great war, and scattered the manuscript; it was many times larger than what we have now. Valmiki is said to have captured only a fragment of it. In this sense, no text is original, yet no telling is a mere retelling…

Ramanujan mixes legend and fact and heresay so cleverly that it is hard to refute his assertion. Hard, not impossible. The universally-accepted story behind Ramayana’s composition is found in a verse that begins with Maa Nishaada… When he saw a hunter mercilessly killing two birds making love, that verse spontaneously emitted from the depths of his sorrow. Or when “shoka became sloka.” The version of Ramayana I have narrates how Lord Brahma himself commissioned the thief-turned-sage Valmiki to compose the Ramayana. But Ramanujan wants to prove that the original itself doesn’t exist. In other words, there’s nothing like an “original” Ramayana. Let’s extend that: there’s no original play called Hamlet, the one written by Shakespeare. Paradise Lost in the form written by Milton is really not Milton’s.

But that shouldn’t surprise us. A.K. Ramanujan is after all a reteller himself. He translated Anantha Murthy’s pseudo-classic, Samskara into English.

73 comments for “Ramanujan’s Ramayana

  1. February 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    @Avinash, Tushar & NASH
    You people are actually living in fantasy world. V.S.Naipaul, Nobel laureate, says in his book, An Area of Darkness, that it is the nature of Indians to live in a fantasy world dreaming that India had a glorious past and that Indians of the Vedic period knew about all modern scientific inventions. This obsession began in the second half of the eighteenth century when European scholars belonging to Asiatic Society translated many Sanskrit works and informed the public that the Vedic literature was very old and that the Vedic Aryans had scientific knowledge. William Jones and Colebrook wanted to earn fame for themselves as great discoverers and told lies. It was like the Piltdown hoax, and it was only later when other European scholars learnt Sanskrit they brought to light that the Vedas antiquity is wrong and that the Vedic literature was primitive and it had nothing to do with science, mathematics or astronomy. It is against this background that Naipaul tells about the false claims of Indians: “The aeroplane was known to ancient India, and the telephone, and the atom bomb: there is evidence in the Indian epics. Surgery was highly developed in ancient India: here, in an important national newspaper, is the text of a lecture proving it. Indian shipbuilding was the wonder of the world.” Naipaul says that Indians by making such false claims to satisfy their pride retreat into ‘fantasy and fatalism.’

  2. Avinash
    April 13, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    @ A.Yeshuratnam, pl search for The Skeptics Annotated Bible for category-wise verses like Absurdities, Contradictions, Hatred, Violence, Sex, etc from The Bible (both Old Testament and New Testament), The Quran and The Book of Mormon. As a believer, you might not have observed the same.

  3. Avinash
    April 13, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    @chand-islam, pl get admitted at some mental asylum before it is too late!

  4. tushar
    April 12, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    “”yeshuratnam dude is completely ignorant of a basic fact…””

    Not ignorant. They don’t have the ability to appreciate what this means. Moreover they are too scared to use logic to analyse the principles of their religion (provided any questions cross their minds at all). They are quite happy believing in a god who does random things.

  5. April 12, 2012 at 3:29 AM

    @yeshuratnam dude is completely ignorant of a basic fact. if all history is destroyed or ignored, i.e. so no history of Rama or Jesus, no bible or gita, etc remain, the key ideas of Hinduism can still be regenerated from first principles and humans retain the ability to achieve jivana mukhti via Yoga (for e.g). But without history and Ben-Hur, Christianity, Islam, Judaism is DEAD and GONE. This is a fundamental difference between history-centric Abrahamic faiths and inward-looking Dharmic thought systems. without falsifying history, all abrahamic faiths are kaput, zero, gone, finito.

  6. NASH
    April 11, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    to yeshuratnam

    as you are aware the numbers you quote from genesis originated in bharatha.Did you wonder how those numbers got into that book of genesis.May be if you do not believe you can ask the same western people whom you quote.So the plagiarisation needs a relook from you.
    coming to the flat earth theory,if you could read the transcripts of the gallileo trial- gallileo was argueing the earth being round and not centre of the system.Gallileo was made to swear otherwise on the great book which you hold dear.
    Since you hold western people in regard,you have overlooked to ask these questions.
    But you gotta start somewhere to know the truth,why delay?

  7. April 11, 2012 at 7:10 AM

    what A.Yeshuratnam says “…” has so many silly holes, i’ll just cut to the chase:
    the most credible evidence of Jesus is the movie ‘Ben-Hur’. even though we dont see his face, its pretty clear its a video clip of Big J.

  8. A.Yeshuratnam
    April 10, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    br shows his ignorance when he says,” There is no proof whatsoever that Christ existed. He was made up. The new testament was written 70 years after his “death”.
    br should know that unlike mythological gods and goddesses whose birthplaces and birthrates have no evidences, there are unassailable evidences for the appearance of Jesus. The very existence of Israel today in the 21st century is the solid proof for the authentic nature of Christianity.
    As regards science,there was large scale plagiraztion by Indian authors while producing the alleged ancient Sanskrit texts.
    THE BIBLE SAYS THE EARTH IS ROUND
    Misconceptions about the Bible have been around for a long time. For example, one misconception is that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat, or that it is the center of the universe. A closer examination of Scripture shows otherwise. The Bible does not say in anyplace that the Earth is flat. In the creation itself it is clearly stated that God made a dome to separate the earth and sky. Dome is spherical and not flat. It is also stated that God created the sun to rule over the day and the moon to rule over the night. The separation of the day and the night described in Genesis 1:4 clearly refers to the formation of the sun and the earth. If the earth created by God was flat, the sun would shine over the entire planet and there would be no night at all. The Bible says: “Evening passed and the morning came – that was the fourth day.” Genesis 1:19. Day and night could be produced because of the earth’s spherical shape and because of the earth’s rotation. It is a clear indication that God created a spherical earth. The Bible affirms that the earth is held in space like the Moon and other planets and this can be seen in the verse, “God spreads the canopy of the sky over chaos and suspends earth in the void.” Job 26:7. The round shape of the earth is further confirmed in this verse. “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22). Christianity has often been held responsible for promoting the flat Earth theory. Yet, it was only a handful of Popes, claiming to represent the Church, who held to a flat Earth. Most of these were ignored by Christians and the Reformation movement removed all such foolish ideas. Jeffrey Burton Russell is a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara. He says in his book inventing the Flat Earth (written for the 500th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s journey to America in 1492) that through antiquity and up to the time of Columbus, “nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical. Russell says the flat earth mythology flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. He says the flat-earth myth was an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science. And yet, opponents of Christianity continue the propaganda that the Church invented the myth of the flat Earth, although the Bible does not say in any place the Earth is flat.

  9. Sky
    April 1, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    Also current Srilanka is NOT the Lanka of Ramayana. It is “Badami” of Karnataka, this is sorrounded by water on all sides. Narasimhavarman goes to Badami before the war & asks his lover to come with him, she says – NO, I want you to burn down the city & then rescue me !!

  10. Sky
    April 1, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Guys – first off, lets understand the origin of Ramayana. It is the lives, battles of south Indian kings – most prabably – Narasimhavarman I (Tamil King Rama) & Pulekeshin II (Kannada King – Ravana). Pulekeshin II kidnaps the lover of Narasimhavarman & hence the legendary war. you will find all references in this war, Narasimhavarman takes the support of all kings in the south – chola, chera & pandian to defeat Pulekeshin.

    Valmiki writes the war from the Tamil King perspective, hence Rama is God. This version goes all over the south India, South east asia, North India.

    from Jain texts (source for Ramanujam), Ravana is God – Pulekeshin’s empire was the greatest during that time & is unfortunately destroyed. This Jain text is what goes to Greece as – Troy.

    so you can see Rama immortalized as Ramayana & Ravana is immortalized as Priam/hector (Ravana & Indrajit) in Troy !!

  11. cricfan
    February 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM

    @chand-islam wrote ” ….

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    this question has been asked before. the answer is still the same. 47.

  12. Ranger
    February 17, 2012 at 7:47 AM

    Dear Chand-Islam… AND YOUR POINT IS ?

  13. chand-islam
    February 16, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    AFTER INVASION OF MOHAMMAD BIN QASIM, jaipal rana, a hindu king first made a war with one of ghazni dynesty in which he got a defeat and thus agreed to pay tribute for a mercy at his life and when he was released he declined to pay tributes and made another attack with other hindu rajas to ghazni, and thus compelled mehmood ghaznavi to invade towards indian subcontinent.On the Other hand peoples in india use to make a request to the composer of this universe to grant ‘shanti’ by requesting “composer of the universe” by saying “om shanti”. their request was approved by the almighty and thus dharam of shanti” known as peace or islam entered this way to indian subcontinent wherealready approached aryans use to make people fool in the name of religion { who entered this indian subcontinent when it is said that prophet moses [pbuh} expelled SAMARI " WHO STARTED A FALSE RELIGION BY MAKING COW AS A WORSHIPABLE"AND THUS GOT AN EXILE WITH HIS FOLLOWERS BY PROPHET MOSES (PBUH) in 15 century BC. THESE DESCIPLES OF SAMRI ( IT SEEMS)LATER ON ENTERED IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WITH-THESE SLOGANS:

    1- "touch me not" AS MOSES GAVE SAMRI A BAD-DUA THAT HIS SLOGAN WILL BE "TOUCH ME NOT" FOR REST OF HIS LIFE THAT LEAD TO THE START OF UNTOUCHABLITY BY THE DESCIPLE OF SAMRI-"THE ARYANS" WHO ENTERED INDIAN SUBCONTINENT 15 CENTURY BC [JUST AFTER THE TIME OF PROPHET MOSES (PBUH)]

    2- THE DESCIPLE OF SAMRI-”THE ARYANS” ENTERED THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WORSHIPPING COW (A SHIRK-THUS NOT LIKED BYE ALMIGHTY), WHICH WAS STARTED BY SAMRI {WHO MADE A GOLDEN CALF-REFER MOSES EPISODE} SO GOT AN EXILE FROM THE CHILDREN OF – ISRAIL.

    3- IT WAS ARYANS WHO ENTERED INDIAN SUB-CONTINENT REMEMBERING THE GOD BY THE NAME OF ‘BARHAMA”. IT IS STATED HERE THAT HAZRAT IBRAHIM{PBUH} WHO WAS A PROPHET WAS MADE WORSHIPABLE BY THE PEOPLE ‘AS GOD’ AT THE TIME BEFORE MOSES SINCE IBRAHIM IN HEBRAW IS WRITTEN AS ABRAHAM AND IF ‘A’ IS REMOVED FROM ‘ABRAHAM’ AT START AND ADDED AT THE LAST THEN THE WORD ABRAHAM BECOMES “BARHAMA” . SIMLARLY THE WORD ‘SARA” WIFE OF ABRAHAM BECAME SARASVATI” THUS THESE WORD BECAME WORD OF ‘GOD AND GODESES TO REMBER GOD misguided BY ARIYANS’

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    4-THE WORD SHIVA and RUDRA WAS REMBERED AS ” ONE GOD in indian subcontinent BEFORE THE ARIVAL OF ARIYANS. ARIYAN CARRYING SLOGAN OF “touch me not” DID NOT WANTED POORS{DRAVIDIANS} TO NEITHER TOUCH THEM NOR THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. SO FOR UNTOUCHABLES THEY COMPOSED SOME SELF FABRCATED PURANAS IN WHICH THEY GAVE SHIVA A HUMAN AAKAR AND THUS SHIVA LINGUM WHICH PREVIOUSLY MENT ‘SIGN OF ONE GOD’ WAS TOO CAMPARED WITH A PRATIMA OF SO CALLED “MALE SEXUAL ORGAN” AND THUS THE INNOCENT INDIAN PUBLIC STARTED WORSHPPING PRATIMA OF THE MALE SEXUAL PART. AND THIS WAS NOT LIKED BY ALMIGHTY AND THUS ARYAN THEMSELF SANK IN WORSHIPING PRATIMA OF MALE SEXUAL PART FORGETTING SHRALOKA OF VEDA ” NA -TASAYA PRATIMA ASTI” MEANS ‘HE {GOD] DOES NOT HAS ANY IMAGE’.

    5-GHAZNVI IT SEEMS KNEW THE FRAUD OF ARIYANS THUS TOOK WITH HIM THE PRATIMA OF SHIVA SEXUAL PART WITH HIM SO THAT BARAHMAN MIGHT NOT FOOL PUBLIC IN THE NAME OF RELIGION.

    6-SO THEY WERE PANDITS WHO MADE INDIAN PUBLIC FOOL IN THE NAME OF RELIGION AND STILL DOING IT. THE NAME OF NUH WAS CHANGED TO MANU AS {if we survey the word of water in different language, we find that mum stands for water in urdu, meh too is called rain that too is water related, megha in Hindi called clouds related to water, MARINE LIFE MEANS SAE LIFE IN ENGLISH, in Italian and Swedish word for water are mar and mer, the Arabic word of water is ma-un } and thus MA STANDS IN HIBRAW AS WATER AND NU IS THE TITLE OF HAZRATE NUH (PBUH) SINCE IT WAS THE TIME OF NUH THAT EARTH WAS FILLED WITH WATER OR WE CAN SAY { NU – PANI WALE {PBUH} MEANS MA+NU=MANU {PEACE BE UPON HIM}. AND SO THE MANU SMIRITI WAS FABRICATED AS A TRADITION OF MANU. HERE THIS MAY BE STATED THAT THE TRADITION OF HAZRATE NUH (PBUH) WAS THAT WHEN THE EARTH WAS FILLED WITH WATER, SAVE THAT HUMANITY{ WHO SAY THERE IS NONE WORSHIPABLE BUT ALMIGHTY} AND AT THE SAME TIME SAVE OTHER SPECIES OF ANIMAL TOO WHICH MAY LIKELY TO IN DANGOUR. IN MANU SMRITY IT IS SAID THAT LATER ON AFTER MANU BARHAMA TOLD ABOUT THE CASTE SYSYEM. IF WE CONSIDER THA SHAJRA-E-PAIGHAMBARI, WE FIND THAT IN THE TENTH GENRATION OF HAZRATE NUH {PBUH} THERE CAME prophet HAZRATE IBRAHIM MANU {PEACE BE UPON HIM} WHO IS REMEMBERED AS BARHAMA by Bahamans AS EXPLAIND BY TWISTING THE NAME OF ABRAHAM {a HEBRAW PRONOUNCIATION of HAZRAT IBRAHIM (PBUH} WHO NEVER TOLD CONCEPT OF CASTE SYSTEM AND WHO WAS NOT THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH AS HE IS REMEMBERED AS A KING TOO AND IT IS SAID THAT PEOPLES USE TO RUN AWAY FROM HIS INVITATION [EXCEPT FEW WHOS CHILDREN STILL LIVE AT THIS EARTH]. MIGHT BE IN RESPECT HE IS CALLED THE FIRST MAN AS WE SAY MRS. OBAMA IS THE FIRST LADY, PRESIDENT OF INDIA IS THE FIRST CITIZEB ETC. IN RESPECT. IF WE SEE THE SHIJRA-E-PAGHAMBARI, WE FIND THAT NINTH GENERATION BEFORE HAZRATE NUH [PBUH] KNOWN AS MANU IN HINDU SCRIPTURES, THERE WAS A PROPHET CALLED HAZRAT-E-ADAM (PBUH] FATHER OF HUMANITY WHO WAS DECENDED ON THIS EARTH FROM SKY AND LIVED IN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT IN HIS EARLY AGES AND IT WAS THE HOLY LAND OF THIS INDIAN SUBCONTINENT THAT GAVE A NAURISHMENT TO HAZRATE ADAM[PBUH} WHO WAS GUIDED BY THE ALMIGHTY TO GO TO MECCA AND CONSTRUCT THE STIMULATION OF BAIT-E-MAMOOR [HOUSE OF ALMIGHTY] OF THE HEAVEN . HERE IT CAN BE NOTED THAT HAZRAT-E-HALIMA GAVE NAURISHMENT TO HAZRAT MOHAMMAD AND THUS SO PRAISED BUT THE NAURISHMENT GIVEIN TO HAZARAT-E-ADAM {THUS WHOLE NIZAM-E-PAIGHABARI GOT A NAURISHMENT] BY THIS HOLY LAND OF THIS INDIAN SUB-CONTINENT WAS IGNORED HERE [SO SAD].

    7-Islamic literature tells us that Prophet Adam descended directly from the heaven on Indian soil. India was his first domicile and the entire human race has spread from here. For this very reason the nomenclature A’dmi is used to denote human being. We find numerous references to this effect in Muslim magnum opus i.e. Subhatul Marjan Fi Tarikhe Hindustan, written by the celebrated Islamic scholar Allama Ghulam Ali Azad Bilgrami. In which it is stated that according to the sayings of the Prophet’s companions such as Caliph Hazrat Ali, Ummul Momineen Hazrat Ayesha, Adam, the first human being and the first Propeht of Islam sent on earth, descended on Sarandeep island (now situated in Ceylon). Hawwa (Eve) descended somewhere in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Both, first ever inhabitants of earth, remained separated for quite some time. Wandering through the island and crossing through India, Adam reached Jeddah. And eventually their long drawn separation came to an end. Adam and Hawwa (Eve) met each other at a place called Muzdalifa (meaning meeting point in Arabic). At this place, it is obligatory on Haj pilgrims to stay put and spend one night to revive the memory of Adam and Eve’s rendezvous.

    EVEN KAABA WAS FIRST CONSTRUCTED BY HAZRATE ADAM (PBUH) WHO LIVED IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT. THIS INDIAN SHINE WAS IGNORED BY ARYAN AS THEY TOLD INDIANS THAT MANU WAS THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH.

    8-EVEN THE SATI PARAMPARA CAME TO INDIA BY ARYANS WHO STARTED BURNING THE DEAD BODY IN COMEMORATION OF THE END OF SAMRI – GOLDEN CALF {AS PROPHET MOSES NOT ONLY GAVE AN EXILE TO THE SAMRI AND HIS ASSOCIATE BUT BURNT THE GOLDEN CALF AND ITS ASH WAS THROWN IN THE SEA AND THUS {COPYING THIS DEAD} BURNING THE DEAD BODY AT FUNERAL PYRE AND THROWING OF ASHES TO A RIVER WAS STARTED BY THE DESCIPLES OF SAMRI IN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT. AND THUS ON THE EVE OF THE DEATH OF A HINDU, FOUR QUINTAL WOOD IS REQUIRED TO BURN THE DEAD BODY HENCE A TREE IS CUT AND THE DEAD BODY IS CONVERTED INTO FOUR QUINTLE SMOKE THAT TO POLLUTE AIR AND WITH THE ROTATION OF THIS EARTH THIS SMOKE FINALLY GOES TO NORTH AND SOUTH POLE CAUSING A HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER THERE THAT LEADS TO ENCOURAGMENT OF SKIN CANCER AND GLOBAL WARMING LEADING TO MELTING OF ICE BERGS AND THUS RAISING THEMEAN SAE LEVEL REDUCING THE LAND AREA OF THE EARTH DRASTICALLY. MORE OVER THE RIVER WATER TOO POLLUTES AFTER GETTING THE DEAD BODY AND ITS ASHES. HAD THE DEAD BODY BEEN BURIED IN THE HOLY LAND, ITS GRADUAL DECAY CAUSES EARTH TO GET FIRTILITY SO AS TO PROMOTE GREENARY, LEADING TO OXYGENATE THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

    9-ARYANS PRAISED COW IN SUCH A WAY THAT SOME OF HINDUS EVEN STARTED DRINKING COW URINE.

    10 – LATER ON THE SLOGAN OF VEDA “ IKKAM IVADITAYAM’ MEANS ‘ GOD IS ONE ONLY ‘ TOO WAS FORGOTTEN AND THE SLOGAN OF 36 MILLION GODS AND GODESSES WAS STARTED {A SHIRK}.

    11. EVEN DADA JI RAAM {A SURYA WANSHI RAJPUT} KILLED SHAMBHUKA {A SHDURA] ONLY BECAUSE SHAMBHUKA TOUCHED AND READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE HINDUISM.

    12-KNOWING THESE FACT ABOUT HALF THE POPULATION OF THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT LEFT HINDUISM AND SARTED REMBERING ALMIGHTY WITH THE NAME OF RAB, KHUDA, PARWARDIGAR OR ALLAH SO THAT IN IMAGINATION NO IMAGE OF ALMIGHTY IS CREATED WHICH HAPPENS IN CASE OF WHEN THE NAME OF VESHNU, BHAGWAN, SHIVA, BARHAMA, IS RECITED SINCE THESE NAMES HAVE BEEN POLLUTED WITH THE CONCEPT OF PRATIMA AND THIS WAS DONE BY PANDIT ARIYANS . AFTER ALL EVEN AS PER YAJUR VED AND SHVETA VATRA UPANISHAD, NA-TASYA PRATIMA ASTI- MEANS–HE {GOD} DOES NOT HAS ANY IMAGE AND TO SAFE THE GLORY OF THIS SHRALOKA — GHAZNAVI LOOTED THE SOMNATH TEMPLE-WHICH WAS A FRAUDE TO HUMANITY IN THE NAME OF RELIGION BY PANDITS {KNOWN AS CHILDREN OF ARIYANS].

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    QURAAN KO NA LIKH KER -

    RISHWAT WA SOOD KHATE,

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    PITEY BHI AUR PLATE,

    JIZYA NAHIN CHADHDHAWA –

    MAZHAB KI DAM KAMATE,

    AEK RAB NAHIN CARORON –

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    PHUNNE–SHIVA PUJWATE,

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    AND THUS MOST OF THE INDIAN MUSLIMS HAVING THE FAITH OF SHANTI IN THEIR HEARTS SPENDING LIFE CARRYING A SLOGAN IN THEIR HEARTS:

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  14. sai
    January 10, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    A.K RAMANUJAN WAS A BIGEST STUPID WHO JUST WANTED TO BE MORE FAMOUS BY DOINING SUCH RUBBISH THINGS HE KNEW VERY WELL THAT IF HE WRITES A TRUE ESSAY ABOUT UMM KHARIFA MUSLIMS WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM WITHIN 2 DAYS.THE WAY HE APPLY HIS DIRTY MIND IN RAMAYANA IF HE GIVE SIMPLE REASON TO CHRISTIAN THAN HOW A VIRGIN WOMEN CAN HAVE A SON & WRITE ESSAY ABOUT THAT CHRISTIANS WOULD HAVE BOYCOTTED HIM SO HE KNOWS HINDUS DO NOT PROTEST SO THIS RASCAL WENT ON TO WRITE THIS

    HINDUS DO NOT PROTEST BECOZ THEY KNOW THAT THEY BELONG TO OLDEST RELIGION MOST PEACEFUL RELIGION ,OLDEST CULTURE,OLDEST CIVILISATION REST ALL RELIGION COPIED IT HENCE THEY R MAN MADE RELIGION .BUT HINDUISM IS MADE BY GOD WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL RELIGION WE DON’T APPLY OUR DIRTY MINDS IN THAT .MANY GREEK RELIGION WERE IN EXISTENCE IN THE PAST BUT NOW THEY DO NOT EXIST.ZORASTRIAN RELIGION IS ALSO MORE THAN 2500YR OLD THEY WERE THE RULER OF IRAN BUT THEY ARE ALSO ON A VERGE OF FINISHING DUE TO LESS POPULATION.SO THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS HINDUISM EXISTED BEFORE,EXISTING NOW,&WILL EXIST IN FUTURE EVEN MILLIONS OF SUCH AK RAMANUJAN CANNO’T DESTROY OUR RELIGION & OUR SENTIMENTS

  15. S S
    December 10, 2011 at 3:51 PM

    Since PMO too came into favouring the Ramanujan article to be taught to students, this analysis of Sandeep should also accompany the text. After all, ‘different tellings’ should be read with different meanings! Let us demand it from the historians. Whay not different tellings on Ramanujan’s tellings should also be offered? Let ‘vade vade jayate tatva bodhah’ prevail…

  16. Dr. S. N. NAG
    December 8, 2011 at 6:52 AM

    Well written. Informative. Thanks.
    I failed to find anything objectionable. Meaningless comotion has been created for what purpose Sri Ram knows.
    No. This is my first comment not duplicate

  17. aditya kumar
    December 7, 2011 at 11:12 PM

    AK Ramanujam’s scholastic aptitude does not grant him the licence to advocate on the firm beliefs of the hindus that the Valmiki & Tulsi Ramayans are the only sacred versions. It is clear that scholarly writing cannot justify maligning of the deities of the millions of hindus. Did ramanujam have the courage to write sacrilegiously about Islam or Christianity. How can you justify teaching of such texts at colleges? Dont you think that this can seriously affect the viewpoint held by young hindu students who have not read the original sacred text. THe atitude of the Marxist scholars in the universities holding our history and religious texts to ransom is not permissible. You do not call a Muslim or Christian a bigot when he protests a blasphemy of his religion, but have the gumption to call a hindu so. Is this all because the HIndus donot protest?

  18. V K
    October 31, 2011 at 6:49 PM

    Sandeep,

    The new format of your blog is not reader-friendly. Every time I open your site, I get confused and try hard to differentiate things. All grey, dim, all alike. I don’t know what, but it is very difficult. Pray, why did you change it?

  19. b dinesh kumar
    October 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM

    i don’t how these historians still supporting this essay.i can’t even understand in what way this different perspective helps showing an other version which destroys the moral value of the original story.
    Sita is a name which is taken with level of high respect in our society , we people see every woman in our country in her.writing some foolish persons version that she was seduced by ravana and laksmana in what way this perspective will help the students to know about culture and improve their culture.really shame on all those historians and people who are supporting this essay ,what ever may be their qualifications or degrees but they are just a bunch of barbarians.
    these days people don’t even want listen about a wrong statement or controversy about their favourite heros .But these people insult the rama and sita the heros of our culture and even support their words and deeds by saying we should maintain secularism and anything against this is hindutva.
    SHAME ON OUR PART

  20. amit
    October 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

    Thanks everyone for enlightening me in the subject. I became interested in the topic after reading the interview of historian Romila Thapar, which was published in The Hindu on 28 October 2011. I agree with @Gajanan…and @vasu

  21. br
    October 29, 2011 at 7:50 PM

    Yeshu:

    You are obviously Christian and have not read any of the Hindu or Sanksrit texts and have swallowed everything written by people who propagate your world view.

    The claim that there was a deeply cross-referenced system of literature built up in response to English medical “schooling” is idiotic. There are, too, several hundred western and Indian scholars, who have written at length about Sushruta and Charaka, who obviously you haven’t read.

    Also, my friend, when you became Christian (or your forefathers did), you did not suddenly attain the superior status of the white Christian — you remained an Indian who had converted, and, by your belief, you are an Indian from a benighted and cultureless background who recently converted to Christianity for lack of any culture in your family for millennia since the beginning of time.

    Is that what you want to believe?

    Now, going back to Christianity and science — what do you believe?

    a) There is no proof whatsoever that Christ existed. He was made up. The new testament was written 70 years after his “death”.

    b) Until Constantine, most Christrians did not believe that Jesus was a messiah. The concept of “virgin birth” was essentially non-existent. These were invented, and sects and leaders who believed otherwise were destroyed or excommunicated. Books that did not conform to the new views propagated by the council of Nicea were discarded..

    c) Science — the first thing Christians did was to usher in the dark ages. They destroyed Greek culture, destroyed the library at alexandria, reverted to ancient beliefs that even the ancient Greeks, Indians and Chinese knew were wrong, set out to kill “infidels”, and generally set science and maths back by 1000 years until the industrial revolution rescued it. Even afterwards, even scientists such as Darwin continue to be reviled by people who like to believe their history goes back only to 4004 BC.

    So in your opinion your family’s history and culture was so much worse than the above that they improved it by converting to it, and now you’re here telling us all about it?

    Christianity and Jesus were not the Industrial revolution and science my friend. The industrial revolution and progress in science happened *in spite* of Christianity.

  22. vasu
    October 28, 2011 at 4:12 PM

    The basic point is that the original Buddhist Ramayana that the ‘eminents’ gloat about (Dasharatha Jataka) is just about two pages long. You can write the whole thing on two sides of an A-4 paper. Forget the fact that the Buddhist ramayana holds Rama in high esteem as a dharmic ruler.
    How can this four page Ramayana be compared to the Valmiki’s magnum opus which is 25000+ verses long. With strict adherence to the lyrical ‘Anushtup’ sanskrit metre, there is no way a literary comparion can be made with any of the 300 Ramayanas with Valmiki.
    The only others which come close are the other epical Ramayanas by Kamban and Tulsi, which clearly indicate their indebtness to Valmiki. The ploy of the ‘eminents’ have been clearly exposed.

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