Comments on: Demand for Backwardness http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:03:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Ch. Muhammad Ashraf http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-254882 Ch. Muhammad Ashraf Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:12:25 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-254882 Places Named After Gujar Tribe In Pakistan The thousands of places were named after the Gujjars and their sub-tribes in the Sub-Continent during the period they ruled over the South and some part of Central Asia. In these days an interesting discussion is going on as to who the Gujjars or Gurjars are? I am mentioning the name of some places situated in all the four provinces of Pakistan. This do not include the villages named after the Gujjars situated in Jammu & Kashmir, Northern Areas and the Tribal Areas. I will updating the visitors of this site after I complete the data in respect of these areas. I will also try my best some time later to provide the name of villages after the sub-tribes of Gujjars. The following data will help the analysts and historians to draw some befitting and logical conclusion. I will be highly obliged if any brethren may add to my knowledge by mentioning such places named after the word Gujar, Gujjar or Gurjar, situated in India or any other part of the world. Kindly forward this despatch to other sites discussing the Gujjar’s dilema and their movement in Rajisthan, India. Regards Ch. Muhammad Ashraf Gujjar, m_ashraf777@hotmail.com P U N J A B PROVINCE: DERA GHAZI KHAN DISTRICT THOKH GUJRI LAYYAH DISTRICT GUJRAT MUZAFFARGARH DISTRICT GUJARWALA RAJANPUR DISTRICT KOTLA GOJAR GUJAR WALI FAISALABAD DISTRICT CHAK 217/GB GUJJAR PIND CHAK 176/GB PALA GOJRA JHANG DISTRICT JAT GUJJAR TOBA TEK SINGH DISTRICT GOJRA TEHSIL GUJRANWALA DISTRICT KOTLI GUJRAN GUJRAT DISTRICT GUJARPUR DHOK GUJRAN GUJJAR KOTLA KULEWAL GUJRAN KHANPUR GUJRAN HAFIZABAD DISTRICT GUJRANWALI GUJAR KE MANDI BAHAUDDIN DISTRICT GOJRA NAROWAL DISTRICT GUJAR WALI BHABRA GUJRAN BERA GUJRAN KHANPUR GUJRAN CHHANI GUJRAN DEHLA GUJRAN PAILA GUJRAN GUJAR TOOR HAJI PUR GUJRAN DARYA GUJRAN KOTLI GUJRAN BADALA GUJRAN NIKI GUJRAN JHOMIAN GUJRAN GUJRAT NADALA GUJRAN BALA GUJRAN BHERON CHAK GUJRAN TEHRA GUJRAN SIALKOT DISTRICT GUJARKE GOJRA GUJAR KALLA GUJAR GORAYA GUJRAL GUJRAN WALA KASUR DISTRICT GURJKE LAHORE DISTRICT NAWAN PIND GUJRAN HANDU GUJAR QILA GUJAR SINGH WARRA GUJARAN OKARA DISTRICT GHOUS PUR GUJJRAN SHEIKHUPURA DISTRICT GUJAR PURA MAHMOON GUJAR KALA GUJAR KOTLI GUJRAN RATTA GUJRAN VEHARI DISTRICT GUJAR ATTOCK DISTRICT THATTI GUJRAN DHOK GUJAR CHAKWAL DISTRICT BHATTI GUJAR MOHRA GUJRAN PINDI GUJRAN JHELUM DISTRICT WARA GUJRAN GUJER PUR KALA GUJRAN THATHI GUJRAN GUJJAR GUJAR KATARIAN RAWALPINDI DISTRICT GUJAR KHAN TEHSIL GOJRA MATUA GUJAR DHANGDEW GUJAR MAL JAND GUJAR GURAH GUJARAN PHAMRA GUJRAN KALA GUJRAN BHANGALI GUJAR ARAZI GUJRAL DHOK GUJRI BHADANA GUJRAN DANDI GUJRAN KHURAM GUJAR MIANWALI DISTRICT GUJRAN WALA GUJRAT KHUSHAB DISTRICT GUJRANWALA North Western Frontier Province(N. W. F. P.) D. I. KHAN DISTRICT GUJRAT ABBOTTABAD DISTRICT MASAH GUJRI GUJRI BAIN GUJRI HARIPUR DISTRICT PIND GUJRAN MOHRRA GUJAR KOHISTAN DISTRICT GUJJAR BANDA GUJARYBAKE GUJAR KHEL GUJAR BANDA GUJAR BANDA MANSEHRA DISTRICT GUJRAN GUJRA GUJRAN DE GAL LOWER DIR DISTRICT GUJAR KALAI GUJAR ABAD UPPER DIR DISTRICT GUJARA KILI GUJAR LALA MALA-GUJAR MARDAN DISTRICT GUJRAT GUJAR GARHI Mohalla GUJARAN Bakhshali PESHAWAR DISTRICT CHOUHA GUJAR MIAN GUJAR S I N D PROVINCE KARACHI DISTRICT GUJAR CHOWK, Manzoor Colony Gujjar Nallah BADIN DISTRICT GUJRI LARKANA DISTRICT GUJHAR SANGHAR DISTRICT GUJRO GUJHERAN GUJHRO SUKKUR DISTRICT GUJRO B A L U C H I S T A N PROVINCE AWARAN DISTRICT GUJARO KHUZDAR DISTRICT GUJAAR BOLAN DISTRICT GUJAR PISHIN DISTRICT GUJIR DERA BUGTI DISTRICT GUJRO ZHOB DISTRICT GURJE ZAI ISLAMABAD CAPITAL TERRITORY (I.C.T.) KANGOTA GUJRAN DERA GUJARAN (SECTOR G-10) GOHRRA GUJARAN MARRI GUJAR, TALHARR. Places Named After Gujar Tribe In Pakistan

The thousands of places were named after the Gujjars and their sub-tribes in the Sub-Continent during the period they ruled over the South and some part of Central Asia. In these days an interesting discussion is going on as to who the Gujjars or Gurjars are? I am mentioning the name of some places situated in all the four provinces of Pakistan. This do not include the villages named after the Gujjars situated in Jammu & Kashmir, Northern Areas and the Tribal Areas. I will updating the visitors of this site after I complete the data in respect of these areas. I will also try my best some time later to provide the name of villages after the sub-tribes of Gujjars. The following data will help the analysts and historians to draw some befitting and logical conclusion.
I will be highly obliged if any brethren may add to my knowledge by mentioning such places named after the word Gujar, Gujjar or Gurjar, situated in India or any other part of the world. Kindly forward this despatch to other sites discussing the Gujjar’s dilema and their movement in Rajisthan, India.
Regards

Ch. Muhammad Ashraf Gujjar,
m_ashraf777@hotmail.com

P U N J A B PROVINCE:

DERA GHAZI KHAN DISTRICT
THOKH GUJRI

LAYYAH DISTRICT
GUJRAT

MUZAFFARGARH DISTRICT
GUJARWALA

RAJANPUR DISTRICT
KOTLA GOJAR
GUJAR WALI

FAISALABAD DISTRICT
CHAK 217/GB GUJJAR PIND
CHAK 176/GB PALA GOJRA

JHANG DISTRICT
JAT GUJJAR

TOBA TEK SINGH DISTRICT
GOJRA TEHSIL

GUJRANWALA DISTRICT
KOTLI GUJRAN

GUJRAT DISTRICT
GUJARPUR
DHOK GUJRAN
GUJJAR KOTLA
KULEWAL GUJRAN
KHANPUR GUJRAN

HAFIZABAD DISTRICT
GUJRANWALI
GUJAR KE

MANDI BAHAUDDIN DISTRICT
GOJRA

NAROWAL DISTRICT
GUJAR WALI
BHABRA GUJRAN
BERA GUJRAN
KHANPUR GUJRAN
CHHANI GUJRAN
DEHLA GUJRAN
PAILA GUJRAN
GUJAR TOOR
HAJI PUR GUJRAN
DARYA GUJRAN
KOTLI GUJRAN
BADALA GUJRAN
NIKI GUJRAN
JHOMIAN GUJRAN
GUJRAT
NADALA GUJRAN
BALA GUJRAN
BHERON CHAK GUJRAN
TEHRA GUJRAN

SIALKOT DISTRICT
GUJARKE
GOJRA
GUJAR KALLA
GUJAR GORAYA
GUJRAL
GUJRAN WALA

KASUR DISTRICT
GURJKE

LAHORE DISTRICT
NAWAN PIND GUJRAN
HANDU GUJAR
QILA GUJAR SINGH
WARRA GUJARAN

OKARA DISTRICT
GHOUS PUR GUJJRAN

SHEIKHUPURA DISTRICT
GUJAR PURA
MAHMOON GUJAR
KALA GUJAR
KOTLI GUJRAN
RATTA GUJRAN

VEHARI DISTRICT
GUJAR

ATTOCK DISTRICT
THATTI GUJRAN
DHOK GUJAR

CHAKWAL DISTRICT
BHATTI GUJAR
MOHRA GUJRAN
PINDI GUJRAN

JHELUM DISTRICT
WARA GUJRAN
GUJER PUR
KALA GUJRAN
THATHI GUJRAN
GUJJAR
GUJAR KATARIAN

RAWALPINDI DISTRICT
GUJAR KHAN TEHSIL
GOJRA
MATUA GUJAR
DHANGDEW GUJAR MAL
JAND GUJAR
GURAH GUJARAN
PHAMRA GUJRAN
KALA GUJRAN
BHANGALI GUJAR
ARAZI GUJRAL
DHOK GUJRI
BHADANA GUJRAN
DANDI GUJRAN
KHURAM GUJAR

MIANWALI DISTRICT
GUJRAN WALA
GUJRAT

KHUSHAB DISTRICT
GUJRANWALA

North Western Frontier Province(N. W. F. P.)

D. I. KHAN DISTRICT
GUJRAT
ABBOTTABAD DISTRICT
MASAH GUJRI
GUJRI
BAIN GUJRI
HARIPUR DISTRICT
PIND GUJRAN
MOHRRA GUJAR
KOHISTAN DISTRICT
GUJJAR BANDA
GUJARYBAKE
GUJAR KHEL
GUJAR BANDA
GUJAR BANDA
MANSEHRA DISTRICT
GUJRAN
GUJRA
GUJRAN DE GAL
LOWER DIR DISTRICT
GUJAR KALAI
GUJAR ABAD
UPPER DIR DISTRICT
GUJARA KILI
GUJAR LALA
MALA-GUJAR
MARDAN DISTRICT
GUJRAT
GUJAR GARHI
Mohalla GUJARAN
Bakhshali
PESHAWAR DISTRICT
CHOUHA GUJAR
MIAN GUJAR

S I N D PROVINCE

KARACHI DISTRICT GUJAR CHOWK,
Manzoor Colony
Gujjar Nallah

BADIN DISTRICT
GUJRI
LARKANA DISTRICT
GUJHAR
SANGHAR DISTRICT
GUJRO
GUJHERAN
GUJHRO
SUKKUR DISTRICT
GUJRO

B A L U C H I S T A N PROVINCE

AWARAN DISTRICT
GUJARO
KHUZDAR DISTRICT
GUJAAR
BOLAN DISTRICT
GUJAR
PISHIN DISTRICT
GUJIR
DERA BUGTI DISTRICT
GUJRO
ZHOB DISTRICT
GURJE ZAI

ISLAMABAD CAPITAL TERRITORY (I.C.T.)

KANGOTA GUJRAN
DERA GUJARAN (SECTOR G-10)
GOHRRA GUJARAN
MARRI GUJAR, TALHARR.

]]> By: Seriously Sandeep : Amarnath: Hindus are Second Class Citizens in India http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-252958 Seriously Sandeep : Amarnath: Hindus are Second Class Citizens in India Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:08:33 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-252958 [...] The solidarity of the Hindus is heartening. They’ve been fighting for weeks and show no signs of giving up, which is a sad commentary on the plight of Hindus, as well as a blot on a shameless state whose response to genuine grievance is pure violence. Strangely, we don’t see any angry editorials trouncing the government for using force. Not long ago, the media used to at least pay lip service if Hindus were killed, as in the case when 30 Amarnath yatra pilgrims were gunned down by terrorists. The current media fashion is to brazen it out and blame the victims for inviting it: we need to understand the psyche of the terrorists, they have undergone severe trauma as they’re constantly victimized on account of their being Muslims etcetra. It is the fault of VHP/Bajrang Dal/RSS. [...] [...] The solidarity of the Hindus is heartening. They’ve been fighting for weeks and show no signs of giving up, which is a sad commentary on the plight of Hindus, as well as a blot on a shameless state whose response to genuine grievance is pure violence. Strangely, we don’t see any angry editorials trouncing the government for using force. Not long ago, the media used to at least pay lip service if Hindus were killed, as in the case when 30 Amarnath yatra pilgrims were gunned down by terrorists. The current media fashion is to brazen it out and blame the victims for inviting it: we need to understand the psyche of the terrorists, they have undergone severe trauma as they’re constantly victimized on account of their being Muslims etcetra. It is the fault of VHP/Bajrang Dal/RSS. [...]

]]> By: Jiggs http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242737 Jiggs Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:55:52 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242737 Violence at our doorstep Tavleen Singh “If we had a real leader in Delhi instead of a common minimum prime minister, violent Gurjjar mobs would not have dared block entrances to the city with barricades of burning tyres as they did last week. If we had a real leader in Delhi, Col Kirori Mall Bainsla would have been in jail long before he incited his brethren to behead policemen, burn police stations and rip up railways tracks.” http://www.indianexpress.com/story/317086.html Violence at our doorstep

Tavleen Singh

“If we had a real leader in Delhi instead of a common minimum prime minister, violent Gurjjar mobs would not have dared block entrances to the city with barricades of burning tyres as they did last week. If we had a real leader in Delhi, Col Kirori Mall Bainsla would have been in jail long before he incited his brethren to behead policemen, burn police stations and rip up railways tracks.”

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/317086.html

]]> By: kaunteya http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242255 kaunteya Fri, 30 May 2008 21:40:38 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242255 I am waiting for the day when brahmins start demanding reservations. With talks of UPA trying to get reservations started in Private sector as well, brahmins are now being pushed against the wall.. Brahmins form a substantial population in North and if things get out of hand, they may take a leaf or two from Gujjars... I am waiting for the day when brahmins start demanding reservations.
With talks of UPA trying to get reservations started in Private sector as well, brahmins are now being pushed against the wall..

Brahmins form a substantial population in North and if things get out of hand, they may take a leaf or two from Gujjars…

]]> By: shadows http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242177 shadows Fri, 30 May 2008 06:52:19 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242177 I suggest granting reservations to each and every community that asks for it. Also, keep increasing the reservation percentage till it reaches 100%. Finally we end up with 100% reservations with all communities eligible for it :smile: Problem solved. :evil: I really wonder why do the Gujjars are agitating.. they already have OBC status.. why create trouble for themselves for a few extra seats under ST status.. Or are they agitating because Meenas have it and they dont.. Doosro ka khilona jyada accha lagta hai etc etc I suggest granting reservations to each and every community that asks for it. Also, keep increasing the reservation percentage till it reaches 100%. Finally we end up with 100% reservations with all communities eligible for it :smile: Problem solved. :evil:

I really wonder why do the Gujjars are agitating.. they already have OBC status.. why create trouble for themselves for a few extra seats under ST status.. Or are they agitating because Meenas have it and they dont.. Doosro ka khilona jyada accha lagta hai etc etc

]]> By: shadows http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242175 shadows Fri, 30 May 2008 06:46:43 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242175 Sandeep, Though still not proven or clear, I strongly suspect that Congress is behind Bainsala. Note the timing - the Jaipur blasts have been overshadowed by the gujjar agitation. This agitation is a great cover for the Congress to move the spotlight from its failure to control Islamic terrorism . Shivraj Patil's lame excuses like non-receipt of Rajasthan governments letters on bangladeshi jehadis in Jaipur did not work. Also, this agitation flared up again, immediately after BJP win in Karnataka Sandeep,

Though still not proven or clear, I strongly suspect that Congress is behind Bainsala.

Note the timing - the Jaipur blasts have been overshadowed by the gujjar agitation. This agitation is a great cover for the Congress to move the spotlight from its failure to control Islamic terrorism . Shivraj Patil’s lame excuses like non-receipt of Rajasthan governments letters on bangladeshi jehadis in Jaipur did not work.

Also, this agitation flared up again, immediately after BJP win in Karnataka

]]> By: anonymous coward http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242162 anonymous coward Fri, 30 May 2008 05:44:44 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242162 Today Bainsala has asked for a review of the reservation policy, which will remove those people who have benefited from it ( read Meenas). I find nothing wrong with it, although nobody ,esp. not the Congress will have the guts to do something about it. Btw, if Congress is courting Gujjars, wont the Meenas vote BJP ? Today Bainsala has asked for a review of the reservation policy, which will remove those people who have benefited from it ( read Meenas). I find nothing wrong with it, although nobody ,esp. not the Congress will have the guts to do something about it. Btw, if Congress is courting Gujjars, wont the Meenas vote BJP ?

]]> By: Ot http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242152 Ot Fri, 30 May 2008 04:42:03 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242152 Well that's the point. 'Sanskritization' as meant by Srinivas has no pejorative connotations. It signified aspirations for upward mobility. If it had gone on unhindered, it would actually have led to a very diluted form of caste structure, where all castes would be more or less 'high'. Quotas put paid to all of that. They ushered in a clamour for 'backwardness'. Now there is a movement in the reverse direction, making caste regimentation a self-fulfilling prophecy of caste 'specialists'. Violent tactics for claiming 'low' status is just one aspect of it. There are others that are not visible. In order to qualify to be 'socially backward', castes must exhibit certain government-stipulated characteristics. Castes claim these. Well that’s the point. ‘Sanskritization’ as meant by Srinivas has no pejorative connotations. It signified aspirations for upward mobility. If it had gone on unhindered, it would actually have led to a very diluted form of caste structure, where all castes would be more or less ‘high’. Quotas put paid to all of that. They ushered in a clamour for ‘backwardness’. Now there is a movement in the reverse direction, making caste regimentation a self-fulfilling prophecy of caste ’specialists’. Violent tactics for claiming ‘low’ status is just one aspect of it. There are others that are not visible. In order to qualify to be ’socially backward’, castes must exhibit certain government-stipulated characteristics. Castes claim these.

]]> By: rajan GUJJAR http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242018 rajan GUJJAR Thu, 29 May 2008 16:34:31 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242018 sir / madam pleas keep the peace . and belive in truth. If gujjar,s are with nobody (gvot & any further ) can't stop or hide there RIGHT, OUR FATHER OF NATION ALSO BIFE IN TRUTH AND PEACE, THANK U. sir / madam

pleas keep the peace .
and belive in truth.
If gujjar,s are with nobody (gvot & any further ) can’t stop or hide there RIGHT,

OUR FATHER OF NATION ALSO BIFE IN TRUTH AND PEACE,

THANK U.

]]> By: hari http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242016 hari Thu, 29 May 2008 16:31:11 +0000 http://www.sandeepweb.com/2008/05/29/demand-for-backwardness/#comment-242016 Very good write up. The way the media has handled this issue has been shocking to say the least. Not a word of condemnation against the way the public has been held hostage in the face of this rampant hooliganism. What I fear is that this particular flare-up might give certain other communities ideas in other parts of the country. Very good write up.

The way the media has handled this issue has been shocking to say the least. Not a word of condemnation against the way the public has been held hostage in the face of this rampant hooliganism.

What I fear is that this particular flare-up might give certain other communities ideas in other parts of the country.

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