But didn’t know where to find the information
In what I rate as his best piece till date, Tarun Vijay–yeah, RSS/Saffron/Communal/Right wing nut, etc–chronicles the entire history of the Amarnath controversy. Read it if only to confirm what I said about Hindus being second class citizens in India.
Tags: Commentary, Indian Politics, Islam Watch, Pseudo Secularism Hall of Shame
Still Hindus are facing the same tactics from Muslims / Christians and other communities like olden days. Earlier they used to destroy temples and dharmas directly by cruel meaning, but now it may not possible because of strong Hindu groups established in this country to protect hindu rights. Hence they are playing politically by vote bank. This should not be tolerated as it was.
Sandeep,
Jagmohan’s book (My Frozen turbulence in Kashmir) should be made mandatory reading for all Hindus - indeed for all Indians. I hope you will read and review the book here.
The corruption angle (toilets and other facilities, contractors etc.) that Tarun Vijay has touched on in his article sounded so familiar - I almost thought I was reading Jagmohan describing the Mata Vaishno Devi shrine in the 80’s - or indeed even how contractors and the “Indian and Muslim Identity” Abdullah’s scammed people on road construction in the valley - the memorable phrase that Jagmohan used to describe them - “Parasites at the heart of Paradise”
Even with all this - and contrary to what you will read in the english press, this agitation is having a few good effects
1- The highway blockade is letting the Mohammedans in the valley know that others - most notably - Hindus can apply pain to others. The Hindus are learning this too and becoming more aware of their strength
2- When the state capitulates to a settlement (as it inevitably will) The Hindus will re-learn - as in the Ayodhya “debate” that they will bend the state only by consolidating as Hindus - by dealing with the state as Hindus
3- This will create positive polarization in favor of the NDA (BJP) ahead of the next polls
I am all for this being prolonged and stretched out until the next polls at least
> Hindus being second class citizens in India.
i am Hindu, i live in India, i dont feel like a second class citizen at all. Same for hundreds of Hindus i know. if you want to feel second class, you please go ahead and do that. but please dont speak on my behalf.
shuvro aikath, barbarindian
Aikath the troll doesn’t seem to understand logic, i am sure there were blacks in SA or Jews under Nazi Germany who argued much the same way, doesn’t mean a thing because we know they were self hating scum just like yourself.
The fact that Indian laws quite explicitly discriminate against Hindus for being the majority is enough to show that Hindus are 2nd class, no amount of leftist mumbo jumbo from bootlicking traitors such as yourself can change that.
comment that disagrees with you = troll.
hindu who disagrees you = hindu who has the self-confidence you want to renounce = “self hating scum” = “bootlicking traitors”.
and you no dout think this is an argument that persuades people.
but thats ok. you want to feel second rate, you do it. just dont speak for me, nothing more.
shuvro aikath, barbarindian
Enough foolishness. Quote from Sri Tarun Vijay:
Don’t worry, no one can speak for worthless uncle toms like you.
Though just like the scumbag you are, u never responded to the point abot legal discrimination against Hindus.
>>i am Hindu, i live in India, i dont feel like a second class citizen at all. Same for hundreds of Hindus i know.
Comrade Aikath, are you claiming that your allegedly Hindu identity is making you believe that the government of India provides as good facilities for Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath as it does to Muslim travellers to Mecca? (Of course, the question of why the government of *India* should provide facilities for travel to a location *outside* India is a question that remains to be debated). Do note that the whether the government treats both Hindus and Muslims equally well measured by the above benchmark is not proved by the mere claim of you being a Hindu.
If you are a person of credibility and good standing though, your subjective experiences as an alleged Hindu may count. Irshad Manji, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Taslima Nasrin — all Muslims — say that the claims of “persection of Muslims” is hogwash, that it is in fact Muslims who are persecuting others, including their own women. We can believe them because they are womenand Muslims of repute and standing of immense courage. That is why we condemn the anti-semitic lunatics in Palestine and their equally Jew-hating commie supporters in India and elsewhere.
> no one can speak for worthless uncle toms like you.
then why you tried earlier? and sandeep?
also -
> leftist mumbo jumbo
so i am to understand that telling you that you are free to feel second class and not to speak for me is “leftist mumbbo jumbo”? also that your personal feeling of second-rateness is “rightist”?
comradde ot, i believe and claim many things. but that is not the point. none of you please attempt to speak on my behalf. you want to feel second class, please feel free. please dont assume that I feel it too, i.e. please dont speak for me.
shuvro aikath, barbarindian
>>none of you please attempt to speak on my behalf.
Comrade Aikath,
Guess what, my tax payer money is funding the circus called Haj subsidy, while it can’t provide as much as a loo for pilgrims to Amarnath. Now, as an alleged Hindu if you think _your_ tax money should fund the said circus and that Hindu pilgrims should be deprived of basic human necessities, your prerogative. But do NOT speak for ME by claiming that Hindus are not treated like second class citizens in this country when it is so obvious to me judging by the way my tax rupees are being budgeted that they are.
But you do bring up a good point. We should try and avoid speaking for a collective. There are loons who claim to speak for “Kashmiris”, “Palestinians”, “Muslims” etc (read: “Islamic extremists”) and there are loons yet who support them. That’s life.
Pls don’t feed this Shuvro Aikath troll. He will keep babbling to ruin the thread. He sounds like an indoctrinated commie. I know the type very well and have learnt to steer clear of them.
As the Americans used to say in Vietnam, “it is easier to shoot a commie than to argue with him.”
> sounds like an indoctrinated commie
what is commie about saying “i don’t feel second class, if you do pleasee go ahead”??
> But do NOT speak for ME by claiming that Hindus are not treated like second class citizens in this country
please note, I said you are welcome to feel like second rate citizen if you want. i am not interfering with your right to claim second-rate existence. but please don’t asume that I am feeling the same.
shuvro aikath, barbarindian
Hello Comrade Aikath,
>> your right to claim second-rate existence. but please don’t asume that I am feeling the same.
Not at all Comrade Aikath, not at all. Rest assured I don’t consider you as looking upon yourself as a second-rate chap at all. Unfortunately there is nothing above first-rate, so I have to settle for agreeing that right now you’re feeling only first-rate, but that there is scope for improvement. Now, you made it clear that you are with the government policy of funding Islamist travels to Saudi Arabia but denying Hindu travellers to Amarnath basic amenities. That is the kind of stand that even first-rate citizens of Arabia cannot find fault with. But you’re a Hindu, can’t be a first-rate citizen of Arabia, so you’re a first-rate Comrade,
Here’s an amendment folks, because Comrade Aikath is feeling very insulted to identify himself with us: “Government policy on Amarnath is treating all Hindus except our first-rate Akiath here as second-class citizens”.
Are you satisfied, Comrade First Rate?
> you made it clear that you are with the government policy of funding Islamist travels to Saudi Arabia but denying Hindu travellers to Amarnath basic amenities.
yes? where i made it clear?
please feel second-class, comrade ot. don’t speak for me.
shuvro aikath, barbarindian
Hello Comrade First-Rate Aikath,
> you made it clear that you are with the government policy of funding Islamist travels to Saudi Arabia but denying Hindu travellers to Amarnath basic amenities.
>>yes? where i made it clear?
Oh, you did not? Really? It seemed that even if a gun is pointed at your head or butt you won’t discuss the issue of Hindu tax rupees being used to fund Islamist journeys to Mecca, while at the same time making sure Hindu pilgrims are deprived of basic necessities, even as they get assaulted on the way to Amarnath by terrorists. Therefore, it seeemd a reasonable conclusion to make that your feeling of first-rate-ness stemmed entirely from this discriminatory government policy.
>>please feel second-class, comrade ot. don’t speak for me.
Why do you keep repeating it like a stuck record, Aikath? Noting how desperate you are to feel first-rate, I have already said:
“Here’s an amendment folks, because Comrade Aikath is feeling very insulted to identify himself with us: “Government policy on Amarnath is treating all Hindus except our first-rate Akiath here as second-class citizens”.”
Please feel satisfied.
dearest comrade ot, i can only repet again. if you and sandeep and harsh dugrala want to feel second-class, you please can do it. please dont speak for me.
shuvro aikath, barbarindian
And I repeated too for your benefit. Listen to it, instead of getting desperate imagining that first-rate-ness is being denied to you by the rest of us.
comrade ot, i am not feeling deprived. i am confident in my feeling whatever i feel. that is why i am urging you to plese to go ahead to feel second-rate, but plese dont speak for me.
shuvro aikath, barbarindian
Ot, I think, we should leave Mr. Aikath alone because he is simply speaking for himself. All the time he is stating about his “feeling” and one can’t use logic with what one “feels.” I was once writing poem on 9/11 and I remember if someone tried to tell me, at that time, what should I “feel” and write accordingly, I could have… So “feeling” is akin to poem. it sees no logic or facts.
shuvo aikath is using the URL of barbarindians blog and signing off as barbarindian. and the scum gets offended when called a troll.
Hi Alka,
>>Ot, I think, we should leave Mr. Aikath alone
I agree with you but Comrade pops in once every while and pleads that he please be recognized as first-rate. I did that. I issued an amendment:
“Government policy on Amarnath is treating all Hindus except our first-rate Akiath here as second-class citizens”.
But then he continues to plead.
I wanted to help with his self-esteem — which understandably seems to have taken a beating due to his inability to argue logically. What else do you think can be done?
By the troll logic, when PM or President of country claims to speak or represent Indians, those who didn’t vote for him/her should be jumping up and down like energizer bunnies.