This post owes courtesy to a certain Zohail who singlehandedly continues to bring loads of traffic to this blog via his flood-like comments on my posts on Babri Masjid and Kanchan Gupta’s article on Kasab. I am truly awestruck at his passionate but ignorant defence of Islam and its blood-soaked history. This blog’s archives contain enough material to help him overcome his ignorance. I shall take his leave by leaving just a passing remark: Zohail needs to look at the world beyond Koran, the Prophet and Allah.
In retrospect, I had omitted mentioning a related aspect because it would unnecessarily bloat the post.
In my Babri Masjid post, I held that the nature of public discourse was the chief culprit behind Ayodhya 1992. Upon deeper inspection, we see how the demolition only served to further pervert the already-perverted discourse. Zohail among others stands as a good example of the consequences of such a discourse.
The most dangerous consequence of all is the intransigence of the Muslim community at large. Misled by the secular goons disguised as scholars and intellectuals, and propelled by their own fanatical leaders, the Muslim community has ensured a permanent deadlock in the situation. However, when the tables are turned, these secular thugs always insist on “accommodation” from Hindus. Isn’t it reasonable to expect the same from the Muslim community? Neither does it stop at that.
As I indicated in my earlier post, December 6 has now become a permanent fixture of hate both on the calendar and in the minds of millions of Indian Muslims. This kind of eternal hostility with the demolition of just one mosque, which was in disuse for several decades.
Let’s apply the same to Hindu places of worship.
The most holiest of Hindu cities even today, is Varanasi. It is also bestowed with the unfortunate honour of being the only city where the maximum number of temples were destroyed under a single king, Aurangzeb. Mathura and Ayodhya, the two other holy cities share the same fate. Aurangzeb took special care to ensure that the holier a place, the more intense and widespread the damage he would inflict. Since its initial incursions in India, Islam’s most pious kings have identified the infidels’ holy cities for a targetted campaign of destruction. This list of Hindu holy cities, which were repeatedly ravaged will give us a rough idea: Multan (or Moola Sthana, where an ancient Sun temple was destroyed), Thanesar (in Haryana, where the Chakraswamin idol was destroyed), Kangra (in Himachal Pradesh), Mathura (innumerable temples destroyed and when rebuilt by Hindus, destroyed again. A notable achievement is the destruction of the Keshavadeva temple under the aegis of Aurangzeb), Somnath (remember Mohammad Ghaznavi), Varanasi (again, special emphasis by Aurangzeb on the destruction of the Kashi Vishwanath temple. Recommending reading: Aavarana for a full, vivid account of the horror), Ujjain, Chidambaram, Puri, Dwaraka, Girinar, and Kanchipuram.
Sita Ram Goel’s two-volume magnum opus, Hindu Temples: What Happened to Them lists at least 3000 temples scourged by Islamic warriors. These books back up the list with solid evidence from primary sources. However, given the savagery of Islam’s conquest in India, the actual number is monumentally greater than 3000. For our purposes, if we adhere to even 3000 and trace the chronology of each temple destruction, how many December 6ths do Hindus need to “celebrate?”
Think again before you call this absurd.
Tags: Babri Masjid, Ayodhya 1992, Aurangzeb, Pseudosecularism, Commentary, Society & Culture, Islamic Conquest of India
Zohail, I dont know if you’re Indian or Pakistani. But from the ignorance of your posts and your lack of logic, not to mention grammer, I’ll guess that you’re not Indian. Anyway, all of us here on this forum can show you enough proof in your holy Quran that will make it clear to you that Islam is not a true religion and that the man you believe was your God’s messenger, was in fact a phony liar, thief, murderer, rapist, hallucinator…. and the list goes on. Please refer to http://www.faithfreedom.org to understand what Islam is. Once you wake up from your deep coma, you could try and help your fellow citizens. The Taliban is bombing little children’s schools as they are against modern education, and they favour no education. They are not hijacking your religion; instead they are doing as Allah demanded: treating women as equals to pigs, dogs, faeces, infidels, etc. That is true Islam. Those of you who aren’t killing non-believers yet are just not following “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” – The “Holy” Quran 8:12
What say?
Regarding this Zohail character:
It’s amazing how much patience the majority of the posters here have to engage in a dialogue with Zohail who clearly lacks any writing skills. He rambles on struggling to string two sentences together without any punctuation and yet the other commentators here try to make valid rebuttals to his insane logic!
It’s not Zohail’s passion or devotion that is being noticed. He is nothing but a symbol of fanaticism born of extremist islamic views that everyone here is uniting against. And that’s all that matters.
If the Muslim emperors of India had a policy of systematically destroying Hindu places of worship and forcibly converting Hindus, there would be no signs of Hinduism left in India after several hundred years of Muslim rule. Some of the Muslim emperors (e.g. Aurangzeb) may be behaved badly on occasion, but on the whole, the Muslim rulers were very tolerant of other religions. Some , like Akbar, even embraced some elements of Hinduism, drawing the ire of conservative fellow Muslims.
If any of you is seriously interested in pursuing the subject, I recommend reading British historian William Dalrymple’s work.
Evereybody knows that
these americans they started sectarian violence to extend there stay in iraq to show the world that Iraq cannot survive on their own and they have to be there for a while originally to Occupy and drink the Oil Iraq have , u know the deposits of Oil Iraq have see the facts u will be shocked how much Oil they have, and how much is provided to Israel without any approval of any authority………..First thing Americans Did on Iraqi Soil instead of searching WMD’s they restored the Oil Supply Line to Israel which was blocked long time ago…..
why dont world shout for america to get out of Iraq now they have killed Saddam and No so called WMD’s have recovered ……………….. Bush punished Saddam bcoz he was not fulfilling the purpose and hanged him for killing the Kurds or Genocide and what is this? thousands of Iraqis have been murdered by US forces then who is the biggest Criminal Bush or Saddam
US forces have Rape charges, murder charges , wrong killings, this is what Genocide is World knows but everyone’s mouth is closed by US thru incentives as India gets , Pakistan Gets it, Gulf they are infact occupying Kuwait Saudia, Jordan bahrain they have bases there they cant say a word against them but SWORD of Allah will work He will take the revenge of these innocents killings and those who support these Satans will also be treated for sure as Allah has promised !!!
u never know who carried out all this searching internet is not all try to find the facts otherwise dont code these incidents !!!! it is very easy for any community to do stuff in this order first burn the Temple and then Mosque then it starts itself so simple!!!
this is called Fitna
Sorry, that’s “Zohail”
Zohai, here you go: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/15/africa/15iraq4.php
al-Askaria mosque destroyed, and then a Sunni mosque destroyed in retaliation.
‘but some of u extremists there think like that as ur govt’
ha! It’s strange that you didnt think of it when Azhar was made captain. When Irfan Pathan is celebrated as a bowler. When Zaheer Khan is lauded. When Syed Saba Kirmani is honored. When Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi was made captain.
It shows how much cricket you follow. India doesnt see religion in cricket but unfortunately it’s YOU who do.
In war this Verse Apply Only
Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.
Red_Devil i seriously like Indian cricket Team if u ask me, me and my brother were the only one’s who celebrated when ever india won bcoz i was born in india so i had a connection for that i feel no shame doing same everywhere i live pak or dubai, but now a days ppl link cricket with religion, so may be in future i have to support pakistan cricket time which i never liked , yes my heart throbs with pakistan bcoz my relatives are there as u do but sure i have link with india as my Janam Bhumi as in ur language, but truly i find no relation in Religion and Games but some of u extremists there think like that as ur govt.
there is no reason of going in discussion of verses of Quran Mr.Aryan with u, i will just give u the defination of a non-believer , Only those who are given books and signs of God and they do not believe that god is one and worship others instead of True One God thats it and Kaafir is non believer’s arabic term nothing offensive or humiliating. Now u decide u r a non-Believer of One God …….. i dont think so so it doesnt apply to all u out there who believe that there is a God above all of us……
No shia or Sunni have ever destroyed mosques of each other, but they fight u are right , even two brothers fight with each other with weapons now a days there is nothing new in it it is called modern era as u ppl say like that, even there is a cast in hindus who regularly fight against high class Brahmans this is world man everythin happens………. black against whites
and for the bangladesh i never support forced occupation if they felt like separating with each other there is no problem but if India has played his role against weakening Pakistan then it is shameful for them and it shows there nature it is called back stabbing infact , and for ur kind info Hindus of India never supported and wanted this Pakistan separation and u ppl wanted to take revenge of all these so called atrocities of muslim emperors which u have in ur story books, as u are doing right now with Muslims who remained there after partition and justify the same with ur old stories ,but by the Grace of Al Mighty it Pakistan became a nation and u did what u wanted to by slaughtering muslims and sikhs also did these killings rapes and murders of fleeing innocent muslims on the basis of religion of peace u follow Hinduism
anyways thanks for spreading the word of Allah , U will find answers to ur questions in those verses if u study it deep instead of hovering around them………..
if u like it that way !!!have it then
Mr. RSS and Sanjay why dont u Attack Pakistan and see what we have in store for all war mongering creatures of sick mind and this time even ur Big Daddy Israel and America cant defend u as they also reaching there destiny in Afghanistan . Iraq, and Israel
Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.
Zohail – no one can defend his country if attackers come through back door like enuchs. If the attackers does not want to live and further uses back door entry, it is impossible to fight with him. Do you know something called fair fight? Declare fight and start. Dont come as friends and stab at our backs. A true fighter comes in front and puts up a fight. The people that you back do not have the courage to do that. Dont blame us. If you support them , take a hard look at the mirror. You have a choice to change and be a man.
Shias and Sunnis regularly destroy each other’s mosques even as of today. What’s the big deal if a decrepit old mosque that wasn’t in use was demolished? China has also destroyed a few mosques.
Time to move on.
Zohail, tell me the truth. Dont you burst crackers and distribute sweets like other Indian muslims whenever Pakistan beats India at cricket ?
Sach bata Zohail, tera dil Pakistan ke liye dhadakta hain ki nai ?
Hello Zohail, I am back, remember RS aka RSS as you so fondly called me. so zahil oh!!! I beg your pardon, Zohail you are still banging on your one man drum. Let me quote you on couple of things ” old emperors who are in bad books”. For starters why not call them fascists, religious zealots along with many other words that I can think of, who could not value human life. ” bad books”, no Zohail in pakistan they ,as history is taught, they were the top “dogs” ( pun intended) who did every thing to make sure Islam could rule the roost. In muslim world they are held as heros. Demolition of Babri masjid was not an act of revenge, you hare brained Zahil,it is culmination of centuries of frustration with Indian musalman who seems to believe in asking for more and more without giving back anything in return. See the blog, read press archive, babri masjid was disused building. If we were to follow your definition of revenge,there are plenty of mosques with people coming and going that can be destroyed. But, no Hinduism does not teach us that. DO NOT TAKE OUR GENEROSITY AND SENSE EQUILITY AND JUSTICE FOR WEAKNESS. BACKLASH WILL BE TERRIBLE AND BLOODY IF WE ARE PUSHED THE WALL.
Mr. Zohail, you full well know what these “gays” did to the country of momins by creating Bangladesh.
You are not Arabs or Central Asians. You are the descendants of Hindu soldiers who got defeated and of HIndu women who were captured by Turk soldiers and sold in sexual slavery. Bloody losers! No wonder you are unable to win a war.
What baffles me in Islam (and Christianity for that matter) is the insistence on blind faith. The individual is given no scope for reasoning or using his own brains to arrive at a view of his own. It is just “believe, believe and believe” with a vengeance and fundamentalism until your brain becomes dead and you become a robot on auto-pilot.
Tell me, if God had not wanted us to enquire or reason or question or research, then why did he give us humans a brain in the first place? The power of thinking and reasoning is what separates us from animals. Then why would a religion punish humans for using their own intelligence and asking questions?
No wonder, Muslims have never been able to excel in any area of civilisation. Even Christians had to reject the church and develop the concept of secularism to start making progress in all fields. Till the church ruled their brains, the entire period came to be called as the Dark Ages.
Hinduism and Buddhism are the only two religions which direct a person to think for himself and not accept anything till validated by personal experience.
It is “think on your own” versus “believe without thinking.” Which one sounds better for progress and evolution of mankind?
just a few quotes from the thinly disguised ‘terror manual’ of the death cult known as the ‘relegion of peace’
Explains a lot about behavior of mullahs all over the world.
KAFIR
The language of Islam is dualistic. As an example, there is never any reference to humanity as a unified whole. Instead there is a division into believer and kafir (unbeliever). Humanity is not seen as one body, but is divided into whether the person believes Mohammed is the prophet of Allah or not.
Kafir is what the Koran and Islam call the unbelievers. Kafir is the worst word in the human language.
The Koran defines the kafir and says that the kafir is:
Hated- 40:35 They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah.
Mocked- 83:34 On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did?
Punished- 25:77 Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come.
Beheaded- 47:4 When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly.
Confused- 6:25 Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [kafirs] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they cannot understand our signs [the Koran].
Plotted against- 86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while.
Terrorized- 8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!”
Annihilated- 6:45 So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.
Crucified- 5:33 The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to com-mit mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful.
Made war on- 9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.
A Muslim is not the friend of a kafir- 3:28 Believers should not take kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah’s protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.
A kafir is ignorant- 6:111 Even if We had sent down the angels to them [kafirs], the dead had spoken to them, and We had gathered all things before their eyes, they would not believe unless Allah had willed it, but most of them are ignorant.
Evil- 23:97 And say: Oh my Lord! I seek refuge with You from the suggestions of the evil ones [kafirs]. And I seek refuge with you, my Lord, from their presence.
Disgraced- 37:18 Tell them, “Yes! And you [kafirs] will be disgraced.” a partner of Satan 25:55 And still they worship others besides Allah who can neither help nor hurt them. The kafir is Satan’s ally against Allah. Unclean- 9:28 Oh, believers, only the kafirs are unclean.
Cursed- 33:60 They [kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and mur-dered. It was Allah’s same practice with those who came before them, and you will find no change in Allah’s ways.
Stolen from- Bukhari 5,59,537 On the day of Khaybar, Allah’s Apostle divided the spoils of war of Khaybar with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one share for the foot soldier.
Raped- Ishaq 759 [Mohammed's official biography] On the occasion of Khaybar, Mohammed put forth new orders about forcing sex with captive women. If the woman was pregnant she was not to be used for sex until after the birth of the child. Nor were any women to be used for sex who were unclean with regard to Muslim laws about menstruation.
Mr. Sanjay there is no need to chase muslims as u are not even capable of defending ur self in ur country ur impotency is just displayed recently in mumbai and ur are living in Swarg of Idiots and will be soon shifted to Narg of Idiots, now a days Gays also give threat funny haan, this happens only in india not here ok pls take care of ur self there as ur population its going down see the figures……… forget about revenge its hazardous for ur health and population think about it …………..
http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/01/grinding-poverty-in-resurgent-india.html
Some historical background on mosque demolishments
Shivaji demolished several mosques that had been built on temples
The sikhs destroyed several mosques and built gurudwaras on top
Examples being Sis Ganj Gurudwara in delhi
where the mosque that guru Tegh Bahadur was tortured was demolished in 1780 by the sikhs and built a gurudwara on top
Another example
Ranjit Singh demolished the mosque in lahore where sikhs were tortured and built the Shahidganj gurudwara on top
In all the above cases, muslims did not object
because they feared the mosque demolishers
“I truly understand frustration of my Hindu Brothers but Truth is Truth ,its ur hatred which is coming out from ur mind and heart”
A Muslim claiming non-Muslims are full of hatred for humanity is really hilarious. We are already seeing how much Kashmiri Muslims love Kashmiri Hindus. We have seen how much Hiindus are loved in Pakistan and Bengal. What happens to your secularism and love of non-Muslims when you turn into a majority in any area?
Take your delusions and the kill-philosophy of that deranged Arab tribal bedouin elsewhere. Gandhi is no longer there. Now you Muslims will be paying for your sins against the Hindus soon. We will chase you all the way to Riyadh.
zohail, Hindusim isnt breathing its last, it never will. You have a thick iron curtain over your mind that doesnt let you absorb thoughts in a liberal fashion. But you’re not to blame for it, you’ve been after all moulded into being a person who is diehard in all respects.
You ooze with sickening passion, convoluted and concocted ideas of both Islam and Hindusim. Again, thats how you’re being moulded. I’m sure you’ve considered joining the cult of martyrdom and I hope that you never have the good fortune of achieving that supreme place in the Kingdom of Heaven. oh by the way, you can also forget having the ‘women of the right hand’.
anyways thanks to sandeep for allowing me atleast i tried to treat the un curable in a decent manner which they dont like at all, bcoz there is a short distance now diseased and deceased …………… for such ugly minded ppl
u r like minded ppl,just like Lashkar e taiba ,jaish and u will be treated by them in accordance to ur thinking, bcoz they can only treat u as they are like u
I truly understand frustration of my Hindu Brothers but Truth is Truth ,its ur hatred which is coming out from ur mind and heart, and u keep on searching ur destiny but u cant escape from it so keep on searching on internet the stuff which supports ur feelings and keep posting it here bcoz dont give a damn now that u ppl go to hell or heaven, I dont feel like spreading the word Peace here in this mind less majority ……….. good bye and GTH
http://www.bengalgenocide.com/mughalistan.php
Mughalistan (or Mughalstan) is the name of an independent homeland proposed for the Muslims of India. This Mughal-Muslim state in the Indian subcontinent will include all of North India and Eastern India, and will be formed by merging Pakistan and Bangladesh through a large corridor of land running across the Indo-Gangetic plain, the heartland of India. This Mughalistan corridor will comprise Muslim-majority areas of Northern India and eastern India that will be partitioned for the second time in history.
The comprehensive plan for a second partition of India was first developed by the Mughalstan Research Institute (MRI) of Jahangir Nagar University (Bangladesh) under the patronage of the two intelligence agencies, Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and Bangladesh’s Director General of Forces Intelligence, DGFI. The “Mughalistan Reaserch Institute of Bangladesh†has released a map where a Muslim corridor named “Mughalistan†connects Pakistan and Bangladesh via India.
The Pakistani Punjabi-dominated ISI’s influence on MRI is evident even in the Punjabi-centric pronunciation of the word ‘Mughalstan’ (without the “iâ€), instead of the typical Urdu pronunciation (Mughalistan). Islamic Jihadis in India have been well-armed and well-funded by the neighbouring Islamic regimes, as part of Operation Topac – the late Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq’s grandiose plot to balkanize India.
Not surprisingly, Osama Bin Laden has thrown his support behind the concept and creation of this Greater Pakistan to “liberate†the Muslims of India from the Hindus. The Mumbai underworld (led by Karachi-based don Dawood Ibrahim who executed the gruesome 1993 Mumbai bombings), Jamaat-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen have declared their unified support for creating this undivided Islamic nation in the Indian subcontinent. The Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Indian Mujahideen are working in tandem with the aforementioned organizations to waged Jihad against the Hindus of India.
It is important to note that in its “holy war†against India, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has openly declared Hindus to be the “enemies of Islam” who should all be converted or killed. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba group has repeatedly claimed through its journals and websites that its main aim is to destroy the Indian republic and to annihilate Hinduism. Jaish-e-Mohammed has vowed to “liberate” not just Kashmir, but also to hoist the Islamic flag atop the historic Red Fort after capturing New Delhi and the rest of India.
SIMI has championed the “liberation of India through Islam” and aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat (Islamic Caliphate), emphasis on the Muslim Ummah (Islamic) and the waging of Jihad on the Indian state, secularism, democracy and nationalism – the basic keystones of the Indian Constitution – as these concepts are antithetical to Islam. The Indian Mujahideen have sent several emails claiming responsibility for several bombings in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad (in Uttar Pradesh), Bangalore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and New Delhi in 2007 and 2008. The emails refer to notorious Islamic conquerors of India (Mohammed bin Qasim, Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmud Ghaznawi) as their role-models, refer to Hindu blood as “blood to be the cheapest of all mankind†and taunt Hindus that their “[Hindu] history is full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult [at the hands of Islamic conquerors]“.
The Indian Mujahideen’s emails warn the Hindus to “Accept Islam and save yourselves†and or else face a horrible fate: – “Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our [Muslim] hands?â€
Background
Pakistan’s emergence in 1947 was as a “mutilated, truncated, moth-eaten Pakistan, in M.A. Jinnah’s own words, because the Muslim League’s original plan did not envisage the partition of Punjab and Bengal. Today, Mughalistan is Jinnah’s dream come true.
The Partition of India provided temporary respite to the Indians and merely postponed the inevitable outcome. By 1971, all across Sindh, Western Punjab, Gandhara (Kandahar) and Eastern Bengal, the native populations of the Indian Religionists (Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains) have been wiped out almost entirely by conversion, massacre and mass exodus. Extrapolating this scenario, we find ominous results. This Islamic beach-head, which squeezes India from both sides (Pakistan and Bangladesh), gradually links up with a Fifth Column within India and gains fresh territorial and demographic victories within the last two decades (Kashmir valley, several districts of West Bengal and Assam, Malappuram district in Kerala and the Hyderabad-Deccan region). The Islamic Anschluss creeps steadily and bloodily, until the Western beach-head (Pakistan) is linked up demographically with the Eastern beach-head (Bangladesh) through the formation of a Islam-dominated belt called “Mughalstanâ€, that will then run through Jammu, Mewat, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal and Assam.
Andre wink also gives a rough estimate for the number of hindus killed
In vol-2
He writes that the normal population growth in a pre-industrial society was 0.3% per year
However in India, from 1000AD to 1500AD, the rate dropped to 0.1%
Meaning 0.2% of the population was killed each year
Given a base population of 100 mil
this means 200k hindus were killed each year
And in 500 years, 100 mil hindus were killed