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		<title>By: n</title>
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		<dc:creator>n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems finally my hindoo brethren have woken up, 

News: 
Not sorry for pub attack, Ram Sena justifies it.

looks like the future indeed is of a more fundamentalist religion!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems finally my hindoo brethren have woken up, </p>
<p>News:<br />
Not sorry for pub attack, Ram Sena justifies it.</p>
<p>looks like the future indeed is of a more fundamentalist religion!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kedar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kedar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please listen to this short audio clip:
http://soundcloud.com/yadbhavishya/bhaarat-kya-hai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please listen to this short audio clip:<br />
<a href="http://soundcloud.com/yadbhavishya/bhaarat-kya-hai" rel="nofollow">http://soundcloud.com/yadbhavishya/bhaarat-kya-hai</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conmrade Jai Nzohail Aikath,

&gt;&gt;The future is of a more fundamentalist religion.

Tell me more about this interesting crystal gazing of yours. 

Despite killing 80 million people, communism could hold sway for
just half a century, so can the future be of communism?

If you want to talk about weighty subjects like the Fate of Civilizations, your opinion must be informed by logic and reason, not a dogmatic belief in fools like Chomsky and entertainers like A Roy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conmrade Jai Nzohail Aikath,</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;The future is of a more fundamentalist religion.</p>
<p>Tell me more about this interesting crystal gazing of yours. </p>
<p>Despite killing 80 million people, communism could hold sway for<br />
just half a century, so can the future be of communism?</p>
<p>If you want to talk about weighty subjects like the Fate of Civilizations, your opinion must be informed by logic and reason, not a dogmatic belief in fools like Chomsky and entertainers like A Roy.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Agreed point well taken, the current golden age is happening in dubai btw.
Funny you should mention Dubai. Their core industry is tourism that caters mostly to Western countries. They seem to have realized that without oil this is their next best bet for survival. More importantly the Dubai society is a liberal one which does not conform to Islamist ideals. They have casinos, brothels, bars, discos; everything that would invite the wrath of the Mullahs? And without any scientific, educational, cultural advancement, itâ€™s dishonest to claim a golden age! 
&gt;Now coming back, even a leader of indian state with about 60 million population (Karunanidhi) doesnâ€™t respect hindu religion/ civilization, leave aside northeast and communist. I am still amazed you call it a victory, i think you will keep calling a victory untill the last hindoo bites the dust. 
Coming back to where? You seem incapable of understanding the simple fact that despite 100s of years of Mooslim invasions, the ancient Indian culture, the vedic ideals are still revered by millions of Indians in an unbroken trend? 
Whatâ€™s Karunanidhi got to do with it? His views are his own and not that of the entire population of Tamil Nadu. Itâ€™s only proof that we are a tolerant society. You seem to revel in mistaking decency for weakness? 
Your last statement almost borders on hate speech and I request Sandeep to keep an eye on your posts. Itâ€™s reprehensible that you wish for every last Hindu to bite the dust.
&gt; Again my question why couldnt india defend itself, my answer simply becuase hindoos didnt belive anymore in the concept of india, they were satisfied looking at temples of khajuraho, similar to roman civilization, just that in case of india some remnants remained. The idea has long lost its relvance
I donâ€™t understand what youâ€™re blabbering about. Romans, Khajuraho, Indiaâ€¦ what?? I suppose you know how to use Google? Use it and conduct some research about Indian culture and history and the countless temples where millions of Indians still go to pray. Then form an informed and a coherent argument. 
&gt; I wont even go into the dravidian concept etc which they claim to be older than hindu civilization(tamil older than sanskrit etc)
Yes, youâ€™re wise not to go there. The Aryan Invasion Theory has been soundly thrashed by prominent historians as utter crock. Again, a simple Google search will lead you to many sources. But Iâ€™m guessing, youâ€™re either living in serious denial of the truth, or that you maliciously intend to perpetrate lies and half-truths. Which is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Agreed point well taken, the current golden age is happening in dubai btw.<br />
Funny you should mention Dubai. Their core industry is tourism that caters mostly to Western countries. They seem to have realized that without oil this is their next best bet for survival. More importantly the Dubai society is a liberal one which does not conform to Islamist ideals. They have casinos, brothels, bars, discos; everything that would invite the wrath of the Mullahs? And without any scientific, educational, cultural advancement, itâ€™s dishonest to claim a golden age!<br />
&gt;Now coming back, even a leader of indian state with about 60 million population (Karunanidhi) doesnâ€™t respect hindu religion/ civilization, leave aside northeast and communist. I am still amazed you call it a victory, i think you will keep calling a victory untill the last hindoo bites the dust.<br />
Coming back to where? You seem incapable of understanding the simple fact that despite 100s of years of Mooslim invasions, the ancient Indian culture, the vedic ideals are still revered by millions of Indians in an unbroken trend?<br />
Whatâ€™s Karunanidhi got to do with it? His views are his own and not that of the entire population of Tamil Nadu. Itâ€™s only proof that we are a tolerant society. You seem to revel in mistaking decency for weakness?<br />
Your last statement almost borders on hate speech and I request Sandeep to keep an eye on your posts. Itâ€™s reprehensible that you wish for every last Hindu to bite the dust.<br />
&gt; Again my question why couldnt india defend itself, my answer simply becuase hindoos didnt belive anymore in the concept of india, they were satisfied looking at temples of khajuraho, similar to roman civilization, just that in case of india some remnants remained. The idea has long lost its relvance<br />
I donâ€™t understand what youâ€™re blabbering about. Romans, Khajuraho, Indiaâ€¦ what?? I suppose you know how to use Google? Use it and conduct some research about Indian culture and history and the countless temples where millions of Indians still go to pray. Then form an informed and a coherent argument.<br />
&gt; I wont even go into the dravidian concept etc which they claim to be older than hindu civilization(tamil older than sanskrit etc)<br />
Yes, youâ€™re wise not to go there. The Aryan Invasion Theory has been soundly thrashed by prominent historians as utter crock. Again, a simple Google search will lead you to many sources. But Iâ€™m guessing, youâ€™re either living in serious denial of the truth, or that you maliciously intend to perpetrate lies and half-truths. Which is it?</p>
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		<title>By: n</title>
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		<dc:creator>n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ AK and sanjay
&quot; For someone who insists on berating and pitying those who still believe that the Hindu and Vedic culture still exists and thrives, you have no qualms still bleating about islamâ€™s golden age&quot;
Agreed point well taken, the current golden age is happening in dubai btw.

Now coming back, even a leader of indian state with about 60 million population (Karunanidhi) doesn&#039;t  respect hindu religion/ civilization, leave aside northeast and communist.  I am still amazed you call it a victory, i think you will keep calling a victory untill the last hindoo bites the dust. 

Again my question why couldnt india defend itself, my answer simply becuase hindoos didnt belive anymore in the concept of india, they were satisfied looking at temples of khajuraho, similar to roman civilization, just that in case of india some remnants remained. The idea has long lost its relvance

I wont even go into the dravidian concept etc which they claim to be older than hindu civilization(tamil older than sanskrit etc)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ AK and sanjay<br />
&#8221; For someone who insists on berating and pitying those who still believe that the Hindu and Vedic culture still exists and thrives, you have no qualms still bleating about islamâ€™s golden age&#8221;<br />
Agreed point well taken, the current golden age is happening in dubai btw.</p>
<p>Now coming back, even a leader of indian state with about 60 million population (Karunanidhi) doesn&#8217;t  respect hindu religion/ civilization, leave aside northeast and communist.  I am still amazed you call it a victory, i think you will keep calling a victory untill the last hindoo bites the dust. </p>
<p>Again my question why couldnt india defend itself, my answer simply becuase hindoos didnt belive anymore in the concept of india, they were satisfied looking at temples of khajuraho, similar to roman civilization, just that in case of india some remnants remained. The idea has long lost its relvance</p>
<p>I wont even go into the dravidian concept etc which they claim to be older than hindu civilization(tamil older than sanskrit etc)</p>
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		<title>By: Kedar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kedar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect Talageri. I have read his earlier &quot;Rigveda:A historical analysis&quot;, and I was profoundly influenced by it. But many people, including Shatavadhani Dr.Ganesh openly disagree (it seems he agrees more with David Frawley) with the dating scheme of Rigvedic mandalas used by Talageri. 

Brahmasri Narendra Kapre, one of the few and foremost exponents of Rigveda (and a personal contact of Dr.Ganesh) also feels that such research on Rigveda doesnt give much insight on earlier vedic history because it was based on the assumptions that
1) the language of sanskrit changed over time,
2) the events mentioned in rigveda are taken in literal sense.

I hope a meeting of these greats might give us some insight on what exactly needs to be done to resolve this impasse.

And coming to the point of using vedas for national integration, its a good thought. But methinks, sanatana dharma has evolved for our own good. If it is the way it is today, it is perhaps because that is what helps it to sustain itself for posterity.  Nevertheless, I do agree that right now, Sanatana dharma is just sustaining itself-- not exactly super-healthy. 

However, the turnaround needs a whole generation of Indians to be brought up in an atmosphere of vedic ideals where the power of penance and renunciation of the rishis, the shining valour of the kshatriyas, the fearless vogayes of seafaring vaishyas (shreshtis), and the untiring will of the kshudras will motor eour nation to its earlier greatness-- An atmosphere where every varna feels equally needed, feels proud of itself, and contributes to the economic, military, and spiritual growth of the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect Talageri. I have read his earlier &#8220;Rigveda:A historical analysis&#8221;, and I was profoundly influenced by it. But many people, including Shatavadhani Dr.Ganesh openly disagree (it seems he agrees more with David Frawley) with the dating scheme of Rigvedic mandalas used by Talageri. </p>
<p>Brahmasri Narendra Kapre, one of the few and foremost exponents of Rigveda (and a personal contact of Dr.Ganesh) also feels that such research on Rigveda doesnt give much insight on earlier vedic history because it was based on the assumptions that<br />
1) the language of sanskrit changed over time,<br />
2) the events mentioned in rigveda are taken in literal sense.</p>
<p>I hope a meeting of these greats might give us some insight on what exactly needs to be done to resolve this impasse.</p>
<p>And coming to the point of using vedas for national integration, its a good thought. But methinks, sanatana dharma has evolved for our own good. If it is the way it is today, it is perhaps because that is what helps it to sustain itself for posterity.  Nevertheless, I do agree that right now, Sanatana dharma is just sustaining itself&#8211; not exactly super-healthy. </p>
<p>However, the turnaround needs a whole generation of Indians to be brought up in an atmosphere of vedic ideals where the power of penance and renunciation of the rishis, the shining valour of the kshatriyas, the fearless vogayes of seafaring vaishyas (shreshtis), and the untiring will of the kshudras will motor eour nation to its earlier greatness&#8211; An atmosphere where every varna feels equally needed, feels proud of itself, and contributes to the economic, military, and spiritual growth of the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or as a matter of fact look at all the modern(after renaissance) scientific achievements, i guess according to you they happened in india but were stolen by xtian missionaries to europe right!!&quot;

Exactly. Even calculus was lifted by missionaries from a college in Kerala and taken to Europe in 1570. Here is C.K. Raju&#039;s original research: 

www.indianscience.org/essays/31-%20E--Infinitesimal%20Calculus.PDF

While at it, do you know why the Arabs call modern numerals as &quot;Hindu numerals&quot;? (Google it.)

And as for the famed &quot;scientific discoveries&quot; of Arabs, they were nothing but a result of translating Sanskrit texts into Arabic when they had captured Sindh. These Arab &quot;discoveries&quot; ran for two hundred years as long as the stock of Sanskrit manuscripts lasted. When they ran out of these manuscripts, the &quot;discoveries&quot; abruptly ended too. Err.. how many scientific acheivements have been credited to Muslims in the last one thousand years?

Buzz off before I take your pants off. All your golden age is nothing but loot and plunder of non-Muslim lands. Far from being men of learning, Muslims have been notorious for torching libraries, from Alexandria to Nalanda. This is based on the dictum: &quot;If a knowledge is in confirmity with Koran, it is superfluous. If it is not in confirmity with Koran, it is evil and has to be destroyed.&quot; Men of letters indeed!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or as a matter of fact look at all the modern(after renaissance) scientific achievements, i guess according to you they happened in india but were stolen by xtian missionaries to europe right!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. Even calculus was lifted by missionaries from a college in Kerala and taken to Europe in 1570. Here is C.K. Raju&#8217;s original research: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.indianscience.org/essays/31-%20E--Infinitesimal%20Calculus.PDF" rel="nofollow">http://www.indianscience.org/essays/31-%20E&#8211;Infinitesimal%20Calculus.PDF</a></p>
<p>While at it, do you know why the Arabs call modern numerals as &#8220;Hindu numerals&#8221;? (Google it.)</p>
<p>And as for the famed &#8220;scientific discoveries&#8221; of Arabs, they were nothing but a result of translating Sanskrit texts into Arabic when they had captured Sindh. These Arab &#8220;discoveries&#8221; ran for two hundred years as long as the stock of Sanskrit manuscripts lasted. When they ran out of these manuscripts, the &#8220;discoveries&#8221; abruptly ended too. Err.. how many scientific acheivements have been credited to Muslims in the last one thousand years?</p>
<p>Buzz off before I take your pants off. All your golden age is nothing but loot and plunder of non-Muslim lands. Far from being men of learning, Muslims have been notorious for torching libraries, from Alexandria to Nalanda. This is based on the dictum: &#8220;If a knowledge is in confirmity with Koran, it is superfluous. If it is not in confirmity with Koran, it is evil and has to be destroyed.&#8221; Men of letters indeed!!</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;islamic golden age in spain....&quot;

Let&#039;s apply your logic to the above statement shall we? For someone who insists on berating and pitying those who still believe that the Hindu and Vedic culture still exists and thrives, you have no qualms still bleating about islam&#039;s golden age? 

Bhaktiyar Khilji may have destroyed and completely gutted the Nalanda univerity with his blood-thirsty army and the gentle monks had no defence against such barbarians. And yet today, a consorium of nations including India, Japan, Korea, and Sri Lanka are trying to revive and rebuild a university at the same site. No one other than the &quot;strong&quot; civilization of Islamists from the Middle East wants to revive the horror of the Mughals. I&#039;m sure if given half a chance, you would have no qualms about killing defenceless creatures and claim that since they were weak, they don&#039;t deserve to live? The only thing I can say to defeatists and remorseless people like you is that you&#039;re only defeated when you surrender your mind, not your body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;islamic golden age in spain&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s apply your logic to the above statement shall we? For someone who insists on berating and pitying those who still believe that the Hindu and Vedic culture still exists and thrives, you have no qualms still bleating about islam&#8217;s golden age? </p>
<p>Bhaktiyar Khilji may have destroyed and completely gutted the Nalanda univerity with his blood-thirsty army and the gentle monks had no defence against such barbarians. And yet today, a consorium of nations including India, Japan, Korea, and Sri Lanka are trying to revive and rebuild a university at the same site. No one other than the &#8220;strong&#8221; civilization of Islamists from the Middle East wants to revive the horror of the Mughals. I&#8217;m sure if given half a chance, you would have no qualms about killing defenceless creatures and claim that since they were weak, they don&#8217;t deserve to live? The only thing I can say to defeatists and remorseless people like you is that you&#8217;re only defeated when you surrender your mind, not your body.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@n, with all due respect

Trying to step into Zohail&#039;s shoes? Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@n, with all due respect</p>
<p>Trying to step into Zohail&#8217;s shoes? Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: n</title>
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		<dc:creator>n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well it is a very easy argument for you , everything sensible attribute it to india, all the things not rational attribute it to xtian missionaries and muslim invaders. 
&quot;We greatly fear those bedouins rushing here sitting on their goats and camels&quot; 
learn about the islamic golden age in spain.
Or as a matter of fact look at all the modern(after renaissance) scientific achievements, i guess according to you they happened 
in india but were stolen by xtian missionaries to europe right!!

Again my question if the culture was so great they why was it screwed(as you claim) over and over by others,  All the new economy which india claims is a gift from IT revolution and innovations made in West not in india.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well it is a very easy argument for you , everything sensible attribute it to india, all the things not rational attribute it to xtian missionaries and muslim invaders.<br />
&#8220;We greatly fear those bedouins rushing here sitting on their goats and camels&#8221;<br />
learn about the islamic golden age in spain.<br />
Or as a matter of fact look at all the modern(after renaissance) scientific achievements, i guess according to you they happened<br />
in india but were stolen by xtian missionaries to europe right!!</p>
<p>Again my question if the culture was so great they why was it screwed(as you claim) over and over by others,  All the new economy which india claims is a gift from IT revolution and innovations made in West not in india.</p>
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