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	<title>Comments on: My Op-Ed in the Pioneer: Left sees red over Sanskrit</title>
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		<title>By: KL</title>
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		<dc:creator>KL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sandeep,
Please bear with some of my remarks.I am a tamil brahmin from chennai.
1)To deny that Kannada is a dravidian language seems impossile.Kannada like Tamil devoliped from proto-dravidian dialects.Look at words like thai,thanthe,nila,neeru basic words.So many words like haalu,haali where &#039;pa&#039; is replaced by &#039;ha&#039;.
2)The earliest Kannada literature is Jain.Hindus came later,ie their contribution came latter.The Veerashaivas and Dasas came later.The Dasas were limked inextricably to madhva theology.The Smarthas had a high and mighty attitude.The Srivaishnavas loyalty was to azhwars.
3)Tamil literature and hence tamil nationalism is very robust.The tamils(kongas) are organised enough to have a tiruvalluvar statue in Cantonment.Noble souls like  Ba ra are trying to give kannada its natural and deserved place in Karnataka.Please do not paint him as anti-hindu and anti-sanskrit.
4)In Tamilnadu,the saivites and vaishnavites have a certain contempt for sanskrit.Advaita is looked down as anti-tamil.There is hatred among educated people towards kannada,sanskrit etc.How will karnataka face the konga threat without going to the roots.
5)Let each state really go to the roots and discover the message of the Vedas,Upanishads and Gita?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sandeep,<br />
Please bear with some of my remarks.I am a tamil brahmin from chennai.<br />
1)To deny that Kannada is a dravidian language seems impossile.Kannada like Tamil devoliped from proto-dravidian dialects.Look at words like thai,thanthe,nila,neeru basic words.So many words like haalu,haali where &#8216;pa&#8217; is replaced by &#8216;ha&#8217;.<br />
2)The earliest Kannada literature is Jain.Hindus came later,ie their contribution came latter.The Veerashaivas and Dasas came later.The Dasas were limked inextricably to madhva theology.The Smarthas had a high and mighty attitude.The Srivaishnavas loyalty was to azhwars.<br />
3)Tamil literature and hence tamil nationalism is very robust.The tamils(kongas) are organised enough to have a tiruvalluvar statue in Cantonment.Noble souls like  Ba ra are trying to give kannada its natural and deserved place in Karnataka.Please do not paint him as anti-hindu and anti-sanskrit.<br />
4)In Tamilnadu,the saivites and vaishnavites have a certain contempt for sanskrit.Advaita is looked down as anti-tamil.There is hatred among educated people towards kannada,sanskrit etc.How will karnataka face the konga threat without going to the roots.<br />
5)Let each state really go to the roots and discover the message of the Vedas,Upanishads and Gita?</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay Nag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vijay Nag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After going through all the 104 comments, i feel Ba Ra&#039;s claim is high but knowledge is nil :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After going through all the 104 comments, i feel Ba Ra&#8217;s claim is high but knowledge is nil <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Indian History Carnival &#8211; 20 &#124; DesiPundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indian History Carnival &#8211; 20 &#124; DesiPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] effort to set up a Sanskrit University in Karnataka is facing considerable opposition. Sandeep B says, &#8220;Sanskrit is what gives identity to the Indian civilisation as we know it. From Valmiki [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Raghavendra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raghavendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same feeling here! I had best of entertainment from Ba Ra, I accuse you (Sandeep)of being partial to your commenter&#039;s :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same feeling here! I had best of entertainment from Ba Ra, I accuse you (Sandeep)of being partial to your commenter&#8217;s <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vasuki H A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vasuki H A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Madhu Bhat

You could have just said you subscribe to the views of banavAsi baLaga :D
But i guess it is difficult for anyone to own up to banavAsi baLaga when it has received such a drubbing on this forum. So, that is alright.

BTW,
Are you the only one paying tax? How could you talk on behalf of tax-payers in general? I will be interested to know your &quot;new skool&quot; views on this issue :D
And, how much of Sanskrit do you know to call it names? Can we have a debate in Sanskrit? Or is it that the &quot;new skool&quot; instructs its adherents to call Sanskrit names without even knowing it? 
And what are the Sanskrit names used for rockets, missiles, internet and submarine in those Sanskrit sources that you so proudly quote? Please be precise about the names employed in those Sanskrit sources. I hope your knowledge of primary sources is better than that of ba. ra. Kirana. 

you can take the easier way out and not answer any of these questions by saying they are not related to the setting up of the Sanskrit University :D
I will always condone such an exit of yours on humanitarian grounds.


@Sandeep

Dont you think you are being unfair to ba ra kirana? He was no less comical and he sustained it longer :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Madhu Bhat</p>
<p>You could have just said you subscribe to the views of banavAsi baLaga <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
But i guess it is difficult for anyone to own up to banavAsi baLaga when it has received such a drubbing on this forum. So, that is alright.</p>
<p>BTW,<br />
Are you the only one paying tax? How could you talk on behalf of tax-payers in general? I will be interested to know your &#8220;new skool&#8221; views on this issue <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
And, how much of Sanskrit do you know to call it names? Can we have a debate in Sanskrit? Or is it that the &#8220;new skool&#8221; instructs its adherents to call Sanskrit names without even knowing it?<br />
And what are the Sanskrit names used for rockets, missiles, internet and submarine in those Sanskrit sources that you so proudly quote? Please be precise about the names employed in those Sanskrit sources. I hope your knowledge of primary sources is better than that of ba. ra. Kirana. </p>
<p>you can take the easier way out and not answer any of these questions by saying they are not related to the setting up of the Sanskrit University <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I will always condone such an exit of yours on humanitarian grounds.</p>
<p>@Sandeep</p>
<p>Dont you think you are being unfair to ba ra kirana? He was no less comical and he sustained it longer <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Raghavendra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raghavendra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR BLUE,

LOL...

You missed one more thing, Vedas have preventive medicine for even swine flu.

If only we had Sanskrit university today it would be available in Laboratories  :(

Didn&#039;t want to comment on you, but couldn&#039;t control my temptation :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR BLUE,</p>
<p>LOL&#8230;</p>
<p>You missed one more thing, Vedas have preventive medicine for even swine flu.</p>
<p>If only we had Sanskrit university today it would be available in Laboratories  <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t want to comment on you, but couldn&#8217;t control my temptation <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madhu Bhat!

Welcome. You provided the much-needed comic relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madhu Bhat!</p>
<p>Welcome. You provided the much-needed comic relief.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ba Ra,

Isn&#039;t it funny how when I give you an inch you take a mile and when I give you a mile you take more and so on? :-) This line really charmed me: 

&gt;&gt;Nobody other than me is present in the debate-room right now. To obtain entry, start by making a comment conforming to the two criteria laid out by me. This applies to you, too, Sandeep.
YOU come to MY blog and dictate terms to ME? Are you for real or do you get a kick of doing this stuff? 

When I &quot;agreed&quot; to your fake notions of politeness, etc it was merely to confirm my suspicions about your integrity. And I was right. What I read on your banavasi balaga web site and enguru and other blogs was completely at odds with the tone and tenor of your comment here. I&#039;ve researched you guys--on your group Web sites--quite thoroughly before I make the following observations: 

Your Banavasi Balaga group of websites seem to have a singleminded pursuit of chucking logic, and good sense to push your concocted ideology. Anybody who disagrees with you is automatically branded as an &quot;opponent?&quot; 

You want to &quot;save&quot; Kannada? What are you guys, Gods or something? What&#039;s with your sense of entitlement? Did the Kannada Goddess appear before you and ask you to save her? 

Your level of &quot;debating&quot; is an insult to even a primary school student. Anyone who is critical of your writings/position meets with this response: 

&gt;&gt;Statements made about me or Karnatique or Banavasi Balaga when I have exited the debate are null and void.
I mean, how does one even respond to this! By this logic, nobody should talk about any evil or misdeeds committed in the past. What gives you the gumption to say something like this dude? Do you really THINK this way? 

&gt;&gt;I am interested in this debate in order to (a) explain Banavasi Balaga’s point of view with respect to the setting up of a Sanskrit University in Karnataka, (b) to seek feedback on that point of view - since we do not want to make a mistake, and (c) to together arrive at what is best for Kannada, Kannadiga, and Karnataka.
Do you really have a point of view apart from meaningless ranting? You&#039;re really not interested in &quot;seeking feedback&quot; : you basically want people to AGREE TO YOU UNCRITICALLY. Further, no ONE person or institution can decide what&#039;s &quot;best&quot; for a language. This will probably go beyond your ideology-infested brain, nevertheless: a language evolves and grows organically and nobody can &quot;direct&quot; that evolution. 

You are alone in the debating room? Stay that way. I&#039;ll lock it from outside and throw the keys away. There&#039;s enough carbon footprint already. You&#039;ll do the world a favour by staying put inside. 

Finally, you are like that uninvited guest who pompously arrives, abuses the courtesy of the host and his home, and when castigated, turns around and declares that the house is his. This is MY blog and I will upbraid you if you go on a defecation spree here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ba Ra,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it funny how when I give you an inch you take a mile and when I give you a mile you take more and so on? <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  This line really charmed me: </p>
<p>>>Nobody other than me is present in the debate-room right now. To obtain entry, start by making a comment conforming to the two criteria laid out by me. This applies to you, too, Sandeep.<br />
YOU come to MY blog and dictate terms to ME? Are you for real or do you get a kick of doing this stuff? </p>
<p>When I &#8220;agreed&#8221; to your fake notions of politeness, etc it was merely to confirm my suspicions about your integrity. And I was right. What I read on your banavasi balaga web site and enguru and other blogs was completely at odds with the tone and tenor of your comment here. I&#8217;ve researched you guys&#8211;on your group Web sites&#8211;quite thoroughly before I make the following observations: </p>
<p>Your Banavasi Balaga group of websites seem to have a singleminded pursuit of chucking logic, and good sense to push your concocted ideology. Anybody who disagrees with you is automatically branded as an &#8220;opponent?&#8221; </p>
<p>You want to &#8220;save&#8221; Kannada? What are you guys, Gods or something? What&#8217;s with your sense of entitlement? Did the Kannada Goddess appear before you and ask you to save her? </p>
<p>Your level of &#8220;debating&#8221; is an insult to even a primary school student. Anyone who is critical of your writings/position meets with this response: </p>
<p>>>Statements made about me or Karnatique or Banavasi Balaga when I have exited the debate are null and void.<br />
I mean, how does one even respond to this! By this logic, nobody should talk about any evil or misdeeds committed in the past. What gives you the gumption to say something like this dude? Do you really THINK this way? </p>
<p>>>I am interested in this debate in order to (a) explain Banavasi Balaga’s point of view with respect to the setting up of a Sanskrit University in Karnataka, (b) to seek feedback on that point of view &#8211; since we do not want to make a mistake, and (c) to together arrive at what is best for Kannada, Kannadiga, and Karnataka.<br />
Do you really have a point of view apart from meaningless ranting? You&#8217;re really not interested in &#8220;seeking feedback&#8221; : you basically want people to AGREE TO YOU UNCRITICALLY. Further, no ONE person or institution can decide what&#8217;s &#8220;best&#8221; for a language. This will probably go beyond your ideology-infested brain, nevertheless: a language evolves and grows organically and nobody can &#8220;direct&#8221; that evolution. </p>
<p>You are alone in the debating room? Stay that way. I&#8217;ll lock it from outside and throw the keys away. There&#8217;s enough carbon footprint already. You&#8217;ll do the world a favour by staying put inside. </p>
<p>Finally, you are like that uninvited guest who pompously arrives, abuses the courtesy of the host and his home, and when castigated, turns around and declares that the house is his. This is MY blog and I will upbraid you if you go on a defecation spree here.</p>
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		<title>By: Madhu Bhat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madhu Bhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like this debate started somewhere and ending somewhere else. Lets keep our debate to whether we need Sanskrit Univ or not. 

IMHO, No.... 

Now don&#039;t brand me as a RED or an Anti Brahmin. 


Thats my intro, now coming back to topic. 

Few same old skool arguments which cant i buy,

* All languages are derived from Sanskrit.
* Sanskrit is one of the most scientific language.
* All scripts in India are derived from Devanagiri.
* Summarization of Sanskrit = HINDU, HINDU=HINDUSTHAN, anyone opposes this is a either a traitor or a chinku agent( aka RED).

* All epics and vedas/upanishads are in Sanskrit, hence we need to give respect to our language
* All our gods used sasnskrit as a communication lang( geervana bhasha) ,hence opposing Sanskrit is an atheist act.

Why i oppose sanskrit univ in Karnataka ?

* I don&#039;t see the purpose of the same,  i would opposed even if its initiated by Cong-I.

* We have so many sanskrit univesities across India, why do we need new one ?

* Why need to waste Kannadigas money on a DEAD LANGUAGE**.

* I dont see kannadiga/karnataka will benefit from this in either way.

* In one par, we are fighting to get 15 crore grant for kannada as part of Classical lang. On the another, we just spending 100 crores on Sanskrit. 

We can use this 100 crores, for next 6 years without seeking center grant.isnt it ?

* If we go by old school of thought, lets cherish and spend on the living language not on the dead.Since all languages are derived from sanskrit, lets spend it to on regional , which invariably spent on sanskrit.

I have seen santanti arguments which try to claim every other single discovery as Vedic Science; They invented wheel and then forgeiner claimed it.

Thousand years back, we had aeroplane, internet, advance medicine,rockets, missiles, submarine what not. West took away atharmanaveda and reinvented everything from the scratch.Please note all these nobel science was written SANSKRIT..

To summarize,we dont want Govt to waste 100 crores tax payers money on DEAD LANGUAGE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like this debate started somewhere and ending somewhere else. Lets keep our debate to whether we need Sanskrit Univ or not. </p>
<p>IMHO, No&#8230;. </p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t brand me as a RED or an Anti Brahmin. </p>
<p>Thats my intro, now coming back to topic. </p>
<p>Few same old skool arguments which cant i buy,</p>
<p>* All languages are derived from Sanskrit.<br />
* Sanskrit is one of the most scientific language.<br />
* All scripts in India are derived from Devanagiri.<br />
* Summarization of Sanskrit = HINDU, HINDU=HINDUSTHAN, anyone opposes this is a either a traitor or a chinku agent( aka RED).</p>
<p>* All epics and vedas/upanishads are in Sanskrit, hence we need to give respect to our language<br />
* All our gods used sasnskrit as a communication lang( geervana bhasha) ,hence opposing Sanskrit is an atheist act.</p>
<p>Why i oppose sanskrit univ in Karnataka ?</p>
<p>* I don&#8217;t see the purpose of the same,  i would opposed even if its initiated by Cong-I.</p>
<p>* We have so many sanskrit univesities across India, why do we need new one ?</p>
<p>* Why need to waste Kannadigas money on a DEAD LANGUAGE**.</p>
<p>* I dont see kannadiga/karnataka will benefit from this in either way.</p>
<p>* In one par, we are fighting to get 15 crore grant for kannada as part of Classical lang. On the another, we just spending 100 crores on Sanskrit. </p>
<p>We can use this 100 crores, for next 6 years without seeking center grant.isnt it ?</p>
<p>* If we go by old school of thought, lets cherish and spend on the living language not on the dead.Since all languages are derived from sanskrit, lets spend it to on regional , which invariably spent on sanskrit.</p>
<p>I have seen santanti arguments which try to claim every other single discovery as Vedic Science; They invented wheel and then forgeiner claimed it.</p>
<p>Thousand years back, we had aeroplane, internet, advance medicine,rockets, missiles, submarine what not. West took away atharmanaveda and reinvented everything from the scratch.Please note all these nobel science was written SANSKRIT..</p>
<p>To summarize,we dont want Govt to waste 100 crores tax payers money on DEAD LANGUAGE.</p>
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		<title>By: Vasuki H A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vasuki H A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ba Ra Kirana,

:D
:D

ROTFL!!!

What an elaborate exit strategy :D

Anyway, thanks for dropping by this blog and giving such a glowing account of yourself and your banavAsi baLaga :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ba Ra Kirana,</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
 <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>ROTFL!!!</p>
<p>What an elaborate exit strategy <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for dropping by this blog and giving such a glowing account of yourself and your banavAsi baLaga <img src='http://www.sandeepweb.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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