Comments on: Gurcharan Das and the Liberal Hindu

By: Rajiv Chandran

Rajiv Chandran — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:15:43 +0000

Just came across an excellent write-up by Ms Sandhya Jain defining in her own way what Hindutva is or should be ?. One possible answer to the question we asked ourselves earlier in this blog.

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=849

Many of us remain very concerned with the direction the secular state is taking us. Unfortunately the Sangh organizations have not only been not able to articulate this concern – it has not succeeded in winning the hearts and minds of many intellectually capable Hindus who can take on all the imperial intrusions in the name of secular and theological truth claims. Here is a fresh example of one such intrusions (courtesy Shantanu’s blog and Vijayavaani) – which if allowed to go unchallenged will harm us in no small measure :

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=846

On a seperate note I shall post my views on the reasons for establishment of muslim rule in India (as the second part of my response to past discussions) in a few days time.

By: vivek iyer

vivek iyer — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:00:55 +0000

Delete posts with bad language. That is not censorship but good editorial policy and helpful for all concerned.
Sorry to have annoyed.
The truth is bibhatsa (disgusting) rasa is a check on Manyu and Rajsic aspects of personality and thought.
For creative artists the point is not to engage in mere rhetoric but provide a mimesis showing both sides of the question.
However art has its place and it is not always in the home.
As I said delete posts with bad language or which arouse disgust and shame. A man has the right to regulate his own space.
No question of understanding- the worst goonda can understand this.
If a person, or a people, gets seduced by a false tolerance to permitting the space it is their duty to protect to be besmirched then there is no free dialogue- rather it is a type of invasion.

By: madhav

madhav — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:05:35 +0000

though i might agree with what you have to say…it is not smart to condemn people who cannot be as shameless(as they themselves call themselves) and fearless as arun shourie or sitaram goel. the good thing we have to see is there are now different kinds of hindu voices rising and we must make sure that hindus can fearlessly choose the umbrella they like. For instance someone who has amazing respect for our culture but doesn’t have the required intellectual ammo to take on others will feel pretty secure to come under gurucharan das ji’s umbrella. We might need a few crusaders , but the majority just needs a strong and significant identity .let hindus of all kinds arise and declare their love for their culture, and if they can safely do so only by distancing themselves from RSS or BJP,let it be so…..after all if all hindus can collectively protest against any injustice ….it’s the RSS’s burden that is reduced.

By: Sandeep

Sandeep — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:15:38 +0000

Vivek Iyer,

Please moderate your language. While commenting is free and I don’t generally moderate comments here, I draw a line after a certain threshold.

Thanks in advance for your understanding.

By: larissa

larissa — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:18:04 +0000

Hey Mr. Iyer,
You started out as somewhat intelligible but are not the more I read your posts. Your language is atrocious–you should have at least some respect for those here who post decently-

By: vivek iyer

vivek iyer — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:22:18 +0000

Sorry, I just read what I have written. Real bad spelling.
But, I do want to say something about Pak. They are more cowardly now, under Zardari, than ever before in their history.
One man stormed their Student Hostel. Can you imagine what would happen to one man standing outside an Indian student hostel saying ‘ You are all cowards and homos’
I mean, I am quite a big man- but let me tell you we would have killed anybody who said like that to us.
I myself felt ashamed at the cowardly response op this Zardari Pakistan.
No, no, don’t make a mistake- there was a gentleman using choice epithets who said he’d come down and deal with me.
Like a fool, I was standing there. Then he turned off all the lights. You see, if he wanted me arrested, he should have kept on some lights. Anyway I strode up and down , crowing like a cock.
Bhai, is Pak worthy off our attention? They are like us. But bottom line- they are cowardly little shite.
Haan, I’m about six foot. These fucking cunts only want to fight with Bengalis weighing 35 kh. They don’t like ‘High Caste’ who will beat the fuck out of them.

Which I wouldn’t- it is true when I start to beat I don’t stop- however that is in the context of men who want to have sex with children- my son is now 23 years old- I never beat these cunts till they dont know their own name

By: vivek iyer

vivek iyer — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:59:26 +0000

Larissa, I take it you are a man.
Just now- within the last hour or two- I went to see my pakistani brothers at their house.
These cowardly shits did not open the door- probably because few real Pakis live there. However, one foul mouthed little shit PUT UP THE SHUTTERS of his window and treated me to some choice epithets.
I said Come down. Let us sort it out here.
As you can imagine, the entire Pak Hostel shut down. Everybody turend off their lights. The gentleman on the second floor who had used choice epitheta against em – turned off his own light.
I was supposed to be frightened off the British Police. But, these cowards did not even try to challenge me when I stood outside their so called Muhammad Ali Jihhah house and accused them of being Homo and Rubbish.
You may say, you have disgraced only youself. However, the fact is, Pakistani people are asking to be able to stay in the Hostel for which their Govt. is paying. Don’t think Pakis dont have some fighters on their side. However, this time, some crap and small Punjabi abused me but did not come down. I strode up and down that road like the cock of the walk.
But, I won’t stop there. The cowardice of this fellow- younger than me- when I tell him I’m a Hindu from India- he makes obscene comment- which also I reply to- but he is a coward- it is so shameful. The cunt says I’m calling police just now- I say- cunt you are a fucking drug dealer. You call the police and we have a warrant. (this is not actually true- under Zardari you have absolutely rubbish people making money.
The only reason I’m blogging this is because I’m not about making money for Pak or Bangla.
However, the cowardice of these MONKEYS should be placed on record.
I used to be Night Receptionist of Indian YMCA- back in 1980- I would go and fight anyone who fucked with us. My elder sister was staying there. I ever had to hit anybody- still people knew I had a motivation to kill them- RESULT- only one Punjabi escaped my wrath- but my cure killed him.
Anyway, as a good South Indian Brhamin- I’m now going to use my Urdu to really fuck up those Paki cowards.

By: larissa

larissa — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:03:29 +0000

Well I also respect cultured Bengalis ( or anyone with culture for that matter), but what to make of this man who praises Akbar–the illiterate one–as an enlightened emperor? Because he threw some scraps of mercy at Hindus every now and then? What was enlightened about him? His attempt to found a new religion and force it on others? Moreover, in that book, his treatment of enlightened Hindus is confined to Bengalis, and just represents typical Bengali communal thinking…I have always wondered why so many Bengalis become Marxists–perhaps its because Bengal is largely agricultural. People like Amartya Sen should stick to being an economist and write within their area of specialization –why write about things which obviously he does not know much about?

By: vivek iyer

vivek iyer — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:58:40 +0000

Bengali Mule! That’s very funny. Or tragic when you see how much genuine creativity and scholarship from that region- absolutely vital to the whole country- has been crowded out by intellectual chamchagiri backed up by ruthless goonda tactics.
Make no mistake- I absolutely worship Bengal. However elite foreclosure of the true spirit of Bengal, which does not speak with a post Oxbridge accent because it actually has something to say- something vital for our moral and spiritual survival- is a threat to our ethos.
I remember, I was once giving a speech on Hinduism at Speaker’s Corner, Hyde Park. An expert heckler reduced me to uttering impotent expletives. A big man, there with his wife and children, came to the defence of Hinduism. I thanked him later on. He was a Bangladeshi Muslim on holiday.
Unfortunately, Western Professors and ‘intellectuals’- though of Bengali origin- will never raise their voice to support the true Bangladeshi who does not want goondagiri in the name of religion. Instead they will do any sort of intellectual somersault to prove that hooliganism and violence is always good so long as it is Marxist or ‘Muslim’.
Incidentally, the Gandhi family cat is showing some signs of tolerance towards Hinduism- drinking milk rather than savagely attacking and devouring cows it encounters.
So, I’m sorry, cat will not be available to lead us. Even Amartya Sen has revised his opinion about the cat’s high intelligence and fitness for Prime Ministerial office.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news- still, better you hear it from me than some malicious neighbour.

By: larissa

larissa — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:28:08 +0000

“”You know, Amartya Sen thinks he’s very bright. He will go off and become a Professor.
What on earth will we do without him? Well, I hear good things about his cat. Tell you what we will manage with the cat. After all, we’re Indians. “”
vivek iyer

Even Western economists do not think highly Amartya Sen–I was told that he engages in “Mother Teresa” economics, and has really done nothing substantial in economics–I read his book “The Argumentative Indian”–what can I say? Its just full of politically correct nonsense –Bengali Mule is what I said to myself when reading him. That book is total garbage. Well he caters to the political correctness of the times–there are a lot of adademics like that —because if they dare speak the truth, they are in danger of losing their jobs–when you read him you can see though that he is writing things he himself does not believe in–that was my impression.
India’s problem lies in the fact that its classical civilization was destroyed and interrupted( although not completely) by barbarian invasions–and that it entered the dark ages under Islamic rule–whether it can get out and rediscover its old greatness is something to be seen–but with the forced secular environment and a government that wants to keep Indians in “amnesia” as far as their history is concerned, one can’t be optimistic. India simply has to advance economically and recover its dignity again in the modern world–thats whats really at issue–
But Western Europe is also undergoing a change and is in a post-Christian era…