Comments on: Indira Gandhi: Never Forget

By: Incognito

Incognito — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:21:28 +0000

The point of the first comment was to shift the focus of attention from one tree branch- one individual, to the trunk that sprouts such branches- the system, to the roots that nourishes the trunk and to the soil that holds up the tree and provides it with necessary nutrients.

The tree of corruption, such as it is, has been growing for centuries now, spanning many generations. Its trunk is huge, branches numerous and wood seasoned with age. Hacking at the branches, though fully justified, may be uneconomical expenditure of efforts. The tree, so long as it lives, so long as it gets nourishment from the soil, will continue to grow new branches and prosper.

It is the soil around the tree that needs to be removed, and its roots exposed and severed.

Only such act will cause the tree of corruption to die permanently.

By: Sid

Sid — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:28:50 +0000

Sandeep,
excellent analysis.

By: hinduonline.blogspot.com

hinduonline.blogspot.com — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:19:19 +0000

http://hinduonline.blogspot.com/

Before the grand lanch function of “Bharat Swabhiman Mission”
Baba Ramdev seems to be genueinly interested
in the betterment of desh, dharam, rajniti
and i used to watch him on Aastha channel regularly

But right from the lanch function of “Bharat Swabhiman Mission”
where Babaji had invited a Shia Muslim maulaavi
and introduced him as his darling brother
speeches of Babaji has lost its sharpness
for the protection of desh, dharam, rajniti

Maybe its the price one has to pay
to garner support of all residing in india
and whether they are muslim
it does not matter

As a common hindu
what more could i have done but
only stopped actively watching Babaji
from that lanch function
though i still regard Babaji
as a great yoga master
and for his oratory skills

But, now in the present controvercy
of Devband fatva against Vande Mataram
attended by Babaji and home minister
hindus should protest and show their displeasure
to both Babaji and home minister
for agreeing to be a part of function
working against the spirit of Bharat
and consolidating/ fanning the Jihadi movement

As politicians support Jihadis
for capturing muslim vote bank
is Babaji trying to capture
muslim and sickular followers
by agreeing to attend Jihadi function
and not speacking out against
the fatva then and there
not even 2 days after that

all this when Babaji is
the most outspoken hindu guru
who is more than ready to
give sound bytes on each and every
topic including yoga
and never take any nonsense
laying down from any celebrited reporters/ editors

is it that like all other leaders
whether they are politicians or not
they are always supporting Jihadis
at the cost of hindus
and like them Babaji too
wants to capture muslim and sickular followers
and / or
even Babaji fears from Jihadis

O Hindus come out of your hibrenation
how long you want to wait
for things to get worse
before trying for their recovery

its easy to get charged up against Jihadis
but path to recovery goes first
by winning over the sickular hindus

O Hindus, this is the time
to lanch campainge against
all sickular hindus
in the form of Babaji
and dont wait for RSS/ BJP/ VHP
dont look forward for their orders
listen to your heart/ mind

Babaji has a reputation
of coming out sucessfully
from every controvery in the past
which where lanched by sickulars
but this time
if common hindus campainge
against his sickular tendencies
at least he has to say sorry
for his moments of weakness

i appeal all PRO-HINDU bloggers
to write-up on this topic from their heart
so that greater clearity and publicity to
hindu’s view emerage in media

also remember that
blogging alone cannot provide
answers to worldly problems.

http://hinduonline.blogspot.com/2009/11/original-post-no-4-o-hindus-come-out-of.html

By: seadog4227

seadog4227 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:47:33 +0000

Good riddance to bad rubbish—hope the rest of the family follows soon!

By: larissa

larissa — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:59:13 +0000

Well it is clear that India has gone the wrong way after independence, with the result that now it houses the largest numbers of poor people, with the population increasing fourfold (Nehru used to take pride in the fact that India had a lot of people–what a shortsighted man. India had slightly more people than Russia at the time of independence–the population of Russia remained roughly the same, but in India the increase was fourfold) and the population keeps increasing and getting ever more unwieldly. The “secularism’ is eating away at whatever the sense of identity and culture that Hindus had preserved and eating away at their traditional values, or whatever they have preserved of it. It’s all depressing.
One has to ask oneself, what are the goals of the Indian state? What are the goals of the nation apart from the vague socialist “alleviate poverty” which just seems to increase it? One sees that the state has no goals and just rides along, so the nation as a whole just goes along without a goal or purpose…The Chinese have a goal, even if it is the goal of a totalitarian state…What is the goal of the Indian state? Is is a question Hindus have to ask themselves….

By: larissa

larissa — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:30:19 +0000

to the above commentator:
Why do you think this is so? Is it because Hindus are congenitally incapable of self-rule as was said by the British to justify their rule? Something to think about. In the time of the Greeks Hindus were known for their honesty–Now? I think it has a lot to do with the kind of ideals imposed by the state–a strong state can make people disciplined–but then there has to be “unity” and a “culture” for the people to protect their ideals–I think a large part has to do with the history of India and that Hindus have lost the sense to protect what is “their own”–partly due to repeated barbarian attacks throughout history which kept diluting the native culture and disorientating it…Today India is a State that just “exists” without a direction, without purpose, as the state has no goals or direction for the people except the adoption of a secular culture which dilutes whatever sense of culture people have–
Moreover, with a huge illiterate population, democracy is a farce–I mean when the last three leaders of the leading political party do not even have college degrees, and are virtually illiterate in this sense (not to say that education consists solely in a degree), and people do not even object to this in principle in the sense questioning what example does this set for the nation– well then you know that the population is just just passive–and the great “passivity” of Hindus is touted as a sign of a “tolerance”…

By: vijayashankar

vijayashankar — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:55:29 +0000

thanks sandeep for the writing. we forget the basic facts. we are a nation of dishonest people. this dishonesty does not percolate from above downwards. Its actually going in the reverse direction. what we discuss here is what i call intellectual masturbation. the dishonesty must only be seen to be believed. we shout at the top of our voice at corrupt people and encourage the same at everystep in our daily life. even buying a cinema ticket, getting a seat in a city bus, we are corrupt to the core. I am really amazed at the Jekyl and Hyde face of every one of us.

By: hari

hari — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:01:27 +0000

I prefer a democratic monarchy to a despotic democracy.

India today is a despotic democracy, where the common man’s only political power is the measly vote (which gets subverted anyway).

By: larissa

larissa — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:18:01 +0000

True Democracy is not alien to us, its our long lost tradition

this is very vague talk, the kind spoken by those who like to defend the status quo and not dig deeper into why things are they way they are–”true monarchy” is not alien to us by the same token–something a change from the top does wonders–look at the Meijii restoration in Japan–But even if there was someone “enlightened” at the top, secularism has so corrupted the state of affairs that these days there can be no proper “command and obedience”–the ability to carry out orders is also the sign of a great peoples and requires discipline on the part of a peoples–a cachoponous, amorphous, mass culture never has lead to a great civilization anywhere–

By: Palahalli

Palahalli — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:26:54 +0000

I think Incognito has really touched upon the essence of the issue.

We must remind ourselves that our problems are not individual specific, they are systemic. They are not shallow, they are tangled at the roots.