Festival of the Politically Correct Sissies: Part 2

Pick a name. Pick any name from the loathsome galaxy of the Politically Correct Sissies that I listed in the Part 1.

Let’s start with the head honcho, the White Mughal himself. Hartosh Singh Bal’s searing piece elicited the predictable accusation of racism from the stung Mughal. Bal called the Mughal’s racist bluff telling him he doesn’t know what racism really means. Badly beaten, the Mughal slunk away muttering a “regret.” School day lessons work: a bully will never bother you again if you hit back with equal or greater force.

Let’s pick another name. Girish Karnad. The man who famously led a tribe of followers to “protest” against the “saffronization/communalization” of Datta Peeta/Bababudangiri. The unsullied genteel extraordinaire in him trembled the moment he heard that cops planned to put him in jail as a preventive measure. He abandoned his anti-saffronization experiment instantly and dumped his Faithful Minions right at Hassan and fled back to Bangalore.

Let’s pick yet another name: Salman Rushdie, the dish that liberal fundamentalists of all hues across the world can neither spit nor swallow.

The Satanic Verses is famous for being infamous. That’s its only claim to fame. When was the last time you heard somebody discussing the literary merits of the Satanic Verses? And be honest: how many of you have read that damned book? Raise your hands so that I can flog you for lying because I’m not. I’ve actually read the book: all 27 pages of it.

Yet we need to be thankful to Rushdie for writing it because it was the resounding slap that awoke the comfortably-numb Western world to the beast that “pure” Islam is. The Satanic Verses became an international issue, even a “civilizational faultline (sic)”  because of Rushdie’s fame as a tremendously successful English writer who the entire Western world held in awe, esteem and the rest. Had he been a little-known, obscure Indian writing in English, one of these things would have happened: The Satanic Verses would’ve never been published or if it was published, it would’ve been instantly banned and/or some Islamic fanatic would’ve murdered him.

Poor Rushdie, living safely in the haven of England, perhaps didn’t realize exactly how seriously the Mullahs worldwide take even the thought of insulting Mohammed (PBUH because I don’t want to be stabbed or fatwa’d.). And his affront was in the magnitude of millions because he was a Muslim himself no matter what he claimed. Islam offers repentance to those who insult Allah but death and only death to the one who insults the Prophet!

What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.

The man who gave us this memorable quote also wrote that he regretted

profoundly the distress the publication [The Satanic Verses]  has occasioned to the sincere followers of Islam. Living as we do in a world of many faiths, this experience has served to remind us that we must all be conscious of the sensibilities of others.

And the same man also removed a sentence in Midnight’s Children as part of an out-of-the-court settlement because an offended Indira Gandhi had sued him.

This is the same man who gives us well-worded definitions of free expression.

And it is this singular trait that binds him with all these Politically Correct Sissies: they seem to think that they’re unaccountable to their utterances. Had Rushdie practiced what he himself preached about free speech, he would’ve fought Indira Gandhi in court and would’ve courageously stuck to his stand instead of issuing a groveling apology to those insult-seeking, insane Mullahs. The apology was his way of doing a Girish Karnad—abandoning values for personal purposes. And he deserves what he got—or didn’t get by chickening out, forcing himself to stay away from that Festival of the Politically Correct Sissies. Had he exhibited even one evidence even once that he has a backbone, people would have supported him. On the contrary, he has shown every single time that he holds his life dearer than the principle of free expression he claims he values so much. Those who are afraid have no moral right to protest against evil.

And thus it is with the rest of the Politically Correct Sissies who vociferously supported him. The courageous, the honourable, and the right thing to do for the Sissies that read out from the Satanic Verses was to stage a protest and/or court arrest when they were asked to leave. But no. Indeed, a certain Politically Correct Sissy, after meekly acquiescing, went ahead and wrote this self-righteous bile.  So craven is Amitava Kumar that he prefaces that self-righteous bile thus:

Writer Amitava Kumar was advised to leave the recently held Jaipur Literature Festival after he had read…extracts from .. “The Satanic Verses….” The following is a stream of messages that, like Gibreel Farishta in The Satanic Verses, Mr. Kumar dreamed he had written.

This is Gold Standard Cowardice. Amitava Kumar couldn’t summon guts to actually tweet all that crap in real time, on his Twitter Timeline. And it’s fitting given that his Literary God was furiously masturbating live everyday about how was being victimized by the government of India, the government of Rajasthan, the Mad Mullahs, the Italian Mafia, the Drug Mafia, the human traffickers…the whole world. He did everything except the right thing: coming to India and facing deportation and/or arrest.

But the hypocrisy plumbs lower and lower. None of the sissies, even by error, say why Muslim groups got all riled up. Not one mention by any of them that Islam sanctions, indeed mandates this kind of behaviour. Not one mention that the ruling Congress party is a party that cowers before, encourages, and pampers such violent attempts to throttle free speech. On the contrary, they invite and slaver all over the selfsame Congress guy who recently put out a fatwa on free expression. And yet, these literary wimps and liberal pretenders fulminate at the unfairness of it all. This is self-deception of epic proportions.

And so there you have: ample evidence of rampant, all-pervasive sissiness.

The upcoming UP elections as a factor for the Congress refusing to allow Rushdie entry into India is just a manifestation. The disease is very old, dating as far back as the days of Gandhi. But purely in Rushdie’s context, it dates back to 1988 when Rajiv Gandhi held the dishonour of chucking India right into the front-most row of nations that implemented Khomeini’s fatwa by banning the Satanic Verses. That was the fertile soil that yielded the rich harvest of the insane, fanatical Muslim groups who’ve held the Festival of the Politically Correct Sissies hostage.  Back in 1988, several of these sissies still in business, and other sissies from another generation roused a deafening din to have the Satanic Verses banned. They erupted in simultaneous multiple orgasms when it was banned. And now, when they’re faced with the bitter fruit of their past misdeeds, they cry foul.

Actually, the sissies deserve every bit of whatever is happening to them now.


Postscript: Personally, it saddens me that this charade is happening in Jaipur, Rajasthan. Or what was once known as Rajaputana, the land that witnessed the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of brave warriors who gladly shed their blood to save their land and way of life from being raped and wiped out by fanatical Islamic hordes. The land whose women were warrior-like in their courage and heroism: when I stood inside the Chittorgarh fort at the site where women committed Jauhar en masse, my eyes welled up on their own. And today, this same Rajaputana is ruled by a party and a Chief Minister who is a slave to those selfsame hordes wearing a different garb, talking in a different language and living in a different point in time.

303 comments for “Festival of the Politically Correct Sissies: Part 2

  1. ava
    February 4, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    But one thing, the goat got killed quickly and not in halal fashion where the blood is drained so the animal can writhe in pain as it thinks of God….Also we ate all of the meat and wasted none of it….Our priests also eat meat, hard to believe right, but Hindus are a varied lot….I consider my family to be quite traditional. What do you think people did with animals they hunted in our epics? While many Hindus do not eat meat, many Hindus eat meat as well regardless of caste and so on…..

  2. ava
    February 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Ranger,
    I used to have a goat which followed me around sometimes goat but it got killed as did a lot of goats which my grandparents raised for meat for the family. We are meat eating Hindus. Let us stick to relevant examples….

  3. Ranger
    February 4, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    I think we need to differentiate between “religion” and “spirituality”. Muslims are not in the least “spiritual”… but they are very “religious”. Christians are to an extent spiritual, but mostly they are religious. Hindus on the other hand, are very spiritual, but mildly religious. Jains and Buddhists are completely spiritual, and not at all religious. Sikhs are both spiritual and religious.

    What is the difference ?

    Spirituality has been given excellent definitions by many hindu saints and scholars, ranging from Lord Krishna himself in Bhagwad Geeta to His Holiness Adi Shankaracharya, from Swami Vivekananda to former Indian president and great scholar-teacher-philospher S.Radhakrishna…. but simply put, spirituality is about striving for unity with the divine or with the power that formed this universe, and is the universe….it can be achieved by Dhyaana (meditation), Gyaana (knowledge) and Sanskaara (experience)…according to hinduism or Sanatana Dharma – which is the name given to our religion by those who actually developed it, each one of us can aspire to union with the Divine Power, if we strive hard enough.

    What is religion ? Being religious is to have a feeling of shared values, culture and heritage with other people who profess the same belief. The “belief” – is just an excuse, in fact a weapon, to impose your values, your culture on people who do not share your beliefs. Islam is a political system, more of a cult, an acquisitive and aggressive on at that. Whatever is there in the Quran is right, whatever the Prophet says is true, and nothing is good or bad… it is whatever Allah says it is (and Allah has a lot to say, if one goes by the Quran). If Allah permits rape, loot, enslavement and murder of a certain people who are seen to be Allah’s enemies – commonly called kufr or kafeer, then rape, loot, and murder of such people is the highest goal a good, noble and pure muslim can aspire to. And he will be justly and greatly rewarded by Allah in afterlife.

    There is no compassion, goodness, nobility, kindness – things we associate with the general condition called “humanity” – in the cult called Islam. Families give shelter to a baby goat, shower it with love and affection, children play with it, make it a part of the family – but on the day of one the festivals of the cult called “Bakrid”, the same children are made to ritually butcher the goat, amid great pomp and show and general merriment. Such is the crude and ugly nature of this cult which takes away humanity from those who choose to practise it. I need not talk about the brutal discrimination of muslim women in the cult, because that is well known. What is remarkable is that in spite of such cruelties, and obvious mistreatment as a matter of faith, muslim women insist on the cult being the best religion for women in the whole world. Talk of Stockholm Syndrome….

    (to be continued)

  4. Amit
    February 4, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    NASH, I’d use whatever term is acceptable to you, your elders etc. other than “idol worship” – as long as it is accurate.

  5. Amit
    February 4, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    ava, it has nothing to do with political correctness, but with rejecting the Abrahamic framework which considers idolatry as a sin. It is not universally pejorative but is so within a certain framework, which needs to be rejected. I stand by my previous comment.

    And as I wrote in my comment, the true meaning is lost or corrupted when certain terms are translated into English, which is what you’re trying to say in your recent comment.

  6. NASH
    February 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

    to ava ,amit

    even to say murthi or vigraha was not allowed once the consecration took place.elders would object to such reference.

  7. ava
    February 4, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    Amit, idol is just an incorrect translation for Murti, does not matter if it is pejorative or not, something that is incorrect is simply incorrect, we should not use words not because they are pejorative, but because they are not translated correctly and fail to convey the sense of the original….Our standard ought to be truth and not political correctness……

  8. Amit
    February 4, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    ItAcHi,

    Not surprised. I’ve come across similar attempts by some gay people in the US to prove that Jesus was gay. Anyway, it just shows their need to seek validation – a trait of Abrahamic thinking.

  9. NASH
    February 4, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    to ava ,amit

    so it will be.

  10. Amit
    February 4, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    NASH, I wouldn’t use the term “idol worship” as it conforms to the outsider’s perception (“etic”) and terminology, and is considered a pejorative. One of the best things we can do is to start rejecting English terms that define Hinduism in a pejorative manner, and start using original terms in Sanskrit or regional languages, as such terms will express the true meaning within the culture and are “emic”. We need to change the ground rules for having such discussions, and instead of making it easier for English-speaking people and spoon-feeding them by using terms like “idol worship” (and in the process, losing or corrupting the meaning of terms), let them do some work to try and understand what “murti pooja” or “vigraha pooja” means. These two links will be helpful.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murti
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic

  11. Amit
    February 4, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    NASH, I wouldn’t use the term “idol worship” as it conforms to the outsider’s perception (“etic”) and terminology, and is considered a pejorative. One of the best things we can do is to start rejecting English terms that define Hinduism in a pejorative manner, and start using original terms in Sanskrit or regional languages, as such terms will express the true meaning within the culture and are “emic”. We need to change the ground rules for having such discussions, and instead of making it easier for English-speaking people and spoon-feeding them by using terms like “idol worship” (and in the process, losing or corrupting the meaning of terms), let them do some work to try and understand what “murti pooja” or “vigraha pooja” means. These two links will be helpful.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murti
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic

  12. ava
    February 4, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    Also what was objectionable about the trolls was that they want to make it appear as if we actually have hatred of Muslims when that is not the case. As I said, a lot of poor countries like Pakistan get a lot of petro dollars to become more Wahabi and radical, their feudal Panjabi elite is only too willing to oblige to keep their hold on power and keep their people poor and uneducated. It is like the Kashmiri leaders who use billions in aid poured on Kashmir by the Indian government to just build houses for themselves and build no roads, infrastructure or anything for the people…..If they had any love for their people they would not want to attempt to become like Pakistan, but would teach their children to read than throw stones….

    Nash
    Please refrain from using idol worship. Murti does not translate as idol, and the use of idol for Murti which is just a means used for reflection and contemplation of divinity as an aid in contemplation for lay people is a source of much confusion……

  13. NASH
    February 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    to tushar, ss

    the entry point for sanatana dharma is in idol worship and believing in rebirth.other people(not hindus) can have there thought dead views on the two core beliefs,if they come at us on this , we could always say ok those beliefs have not hurt anybody.
    it is noticed there are not many scholars and debaters in their muslim system.so the point is going after the ideology makes no sense.there should be some dummy(simple) version to get into that mess.

  14. ItAcHi
    February 4, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    Is there no end to the intellectual bankruptcy of communists?

    http://www.ucanews.com/2012/02/03/jesus-was-a-communist-cpi-m-says/

  15. ava
    February 4, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Above typo “wake up”

  16. ava
    February 4, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    There are Muslims of all kinds, just as there are all kinds of people among all religious groups. What I found obnoxious about trolls such as Vinay was the attempt to even deny the ethnic cleansing of Pandits in his various posts….For example we understand the riots in Gujrat was terrible but we do not deny what happened and that many innocent people both Hindu and Muslims died. This is the difference. But what to do when people like Vinay/Tima so full of hatred try to twist facts and even try to deny the ethnic cleansing that took place in Kashmir, claiming victim hood for just one side, when it is their own separatist leaders have made the place what it is? Ought they not be protecting their own people from the likes of Gilani?
    I know many critical Muslims. Many highly educated Iranians are critical of it, this is because Islam has not wiped out Persian culture as it was wiped out cultures elsewhere, so Persians have a sense of being a civilization still and are not merely tribal and can distinguish what remains of Persian culture from the elements in their culture which has come via Islam. There are still some good Persian traits that remain and has not been wiped out. Among Muslims, these people are I find generally the most pleasant because they can take an objective stand when it comes to religion, and they do not denigrate the religion of others…Also one has to realize that Islam has destroyed much in other places, so that unlike Persians, many do not have a connection to their past. So it is impossible for people in Afghanistan say to be able to connect to their Buddhist past, and get emotional when Buddha statues are destroyed unlike Iranians who get upset when all the depictions of wine bearing women got removed from a building dedicated to Omar Khayyam and complain that the government wants to destroy their Persian past and copy Arabs. So obviously people like Vinay cannot identify with the bravery of Rajput women who would rather die than be taken as slaves by barbaric Turks, how can he when he cannot identify with the past in the sense of a Hindu with a historical continuity can identify with their past and national heroes? So the problem is that Islam has destroyed the historical memory of many people, and their history just begins with that religion, this I think has to do with much of the misunderstanding, it is not because people are Muslim, but what Islam has done to people over the centuries in terms of extinguishing their original culture and sense of history….So one has to keep this in mind….This is why people like Tima say Hindus had no impressive past, because their own history does not extend that far but begins with Islam. Take a Persian Zoroastrian, his understanding of Persian history will be different as they still have their old Persian religion. Similarly, for peoples who have a historical continuity like Hindus.
    A lot of the extremism I believe is funded by petro dollars. Poor countries like Pakistan get a lot of money from places like Saudi Arabia in terms of aid, for becoming more like Arabs….A lot of this is driven by money and politics. For example, Muslims in Kashmir were different from those in Pakistan, the women hardly even covered and they were never as radical. But look now at what extremism of their leaders following mentors in Pakistan has reduced them to…..When petro dollars run out, many people in these countries will be forced to confront modernity and work hard like the rest of the world if they are to survive…..I think much of it is related to money and politics and ordinary people get caught in between….Even in places like Saudi Arabia, most people are kept poor and uneducated by their leaders……If there is anything to wish for, it is that the money by vested groups funding extremism will gradually run dry, so people can awake up and realize that they either properly confront modernity and take the route of development or perish……

  17. Amit
    February 4, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    Another method is to quote articles critical of Islam from people like Sam Harris etc. who are unlikely to be labeled as “Hindutva” because of their criticism.

    I should compile a list of all the specious arguments that I’ve come across in defense of Religion of Peace made by non-followers.

    The first one – and the most common – is that poverty made them do it. I counter it with the millionaire Osama Bin Laden.

    The second one is that they are uneducated and illiterate. I counter it with examples of Mohammad Atta, Dr. Zawahiri, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, Faisal Shahzad and other “heroes” who were educated with degrees from college (some in the US), and to boot, came from well-to-do/middle class/rich families.

    The third one is that we should look at our (that is, Hinduism’s) faults first (and the irony is that this comes from those who are anti-Hindu, but the statement is made as if they care deeply for Hinduism). The best response is to ask them whether they do agree that Islam is evil?

    It also helps to broaden the scope and include specific examples from around the globe, especially when it comes to free speech and people murdered or issued with death-threats for writing, art, movies etc. There’s the artist – Molly Norris – in the US who had to change her identity (after she received death-threats) as a result of her campaign “Draw Muhammad Day” – an act whose right is guaranteed by the US Constitution.

    If you’re outside India, then there’s another rationalization – Christianity did evil things too, so we should excuse Islam. Again, implicit – but never explicit – is the admission that Islam is indeed bad. As if we should have to tolerate another evil as a penance (for what?), or as if all people in the world are either Christians or Muslims. The assumptions made in such statements are mind-boggling!

    I call people – non-Muslims – who make such stupid arguments, Islamorons – otherwise normal people (capable of critical analysis) who start exhibiting signs of being a moron when it comes to discussing Islam. It’s also a good response to the stupid term “Islamophobe” which is thrown around by liberals to shut up valid criticism of Islam.

    Unfortunately the imbibing of the Commandment “Thou shalt not criticize Islam” is so deep and happens at a sub-conscious level, that it will take a lot for Islamorons to even acknowledge it.

  18. tushar
    February 4, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    Nash, there will be articles on the basics of islam on sites like jihadwatch and faithfreedom.

    For those interested in what Islam did to the zoroastrians in Iran, this is a pretty good site. A good deal of the history and information of Iran in the midst of all the islam bashing articles. We are very fortunate that we still exist.

    http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/

  19. Amit
    February 4, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    This post by Atanu might be helpful in making a distinction between people and ideologies, or if someone attacks with the charge of “bigotry”/”anti-Muslim” when you criticize Islam.
    http://www.deeshaa.org/2010/02/07/the-distinction-between-people-and-ideologies/

  20. Ranger
    February 4, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Avinash – this guy Nanjappa is a 2 bit reporter…a real loser if one goes by his comments…. best to ignore.

  21. anonymous
    February 4, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    You need not display this as the comment under moderation as it is not relevant to this topic.

  22. anonymous
    February 4, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    Sandeep can you email this to Swamy or tweet this to Swamy

    Swamy had asked in his twitter about

    http://twitter.com/swamy39

    Swamy39 Subramanian Swamy
    Does any patriotic tweeter know of a sports related company floated by Karthik Chidambaram ?

    house of Kiwi Sports which is promoted by Mr Karti Chidambaram
    line from the article below.

    3 Feb
    Here is a reference for Swamys query. Swamys email not available, plus twitter not operating well. Please pass on to Swamy this

    http://www.yeahindia.com/article12.htm

    Down Under Blows its First Candle
    By White Arrow News Service
    Chennai-based family entertainment hub Down Under celebrates its first birthday. down Under is from the house of Kiwi Sports which is promoted by Mr Karti Chidambaram and his associates with the objective of catering to the lifestyle needs of metros.

    Family Entertainment Centres (FEC) as a concept in Chennai is slowly gaining ground. City’s middle and upper income groups have started openly seeking alternative entertainment avenues. Further, the youth of Chennai have emerged as major fun lovers with respect to the entertainment industry. They look for not just entertainment, but entertainment plus. The city trend today is more on interactive games where a wider audience participation is welcomed and is considered fun rather than playing games or watching movies that have limited participation.

    Down Under offers global standard entertainment to the entire metro family in Chennai. Down Under is ideally located at the heart of the city on Marshalls Road, Egmore. The centre is outfitted with a state of art four lane bowling alley. The centre offers multiple entertainment options to the fun seekers which includes pool, snooker, video games, mini golf, karaoke, big screen television, live DJ and a multi cuisine restaurant.

    Down Under which is spread over an area of 6800 sq. ft. adds a dance floor as part of its anniversary celebrations and expansion plans. The discotheque will be a crowd puller to Down Under as it will function on all seven days in a week and it will have day disco too.

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    “Today’s metro entertainment options like cinema, TV viewing and internet are passive and offer nothing for the health and fitness of an individual. At Down Under we want to offer value added international standard entertainment for the entire family which will shape it’s mind and body for the betterment.”, states Mr Karti Chidambaram.

    In order to fulfill the growing health and fitness needs of Chennai, Kiwi Sports has recently tied-up with Precor of USA, the best fitness equipment manufacturers in the world.

  23. S S
    February 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    @ NASH, tushar

    Islam and Muslims are two entities, just as Communism and communists were. One is ideology, other is follower. An attack on the ideology cannot and should not be construed as attacking the follower. Ideology is impersonal, and every one has a right to accept or reject or criticize it.

    It is cunning ploy of the ulema and their supporter secularist, leftist Indians and others to dub anti-Islamic criticisms as anti-Muslim. Doing so they cleverly try to incite and enlist uninformed Muslim masses to fight the ideologues battle, that too by unfair means.

    After all, when the world criticized ‘dictatorship of proletariat’ or ‘Gulag’, it didn’t mean speaking against Russian masses. So is now with Islam and its theories of ‘dar ul harb’, ‘jehad’, ‘jazia’ etc. (As to differentiating between a political ideology and religion, pl mind: (i) Islam is an political ideology; indeed, it is primarily a political ideology, (ii) it is precisely its political role, political ambitions, political deeds that has created problems world over over the centuries and continue to do so.)

    Therefore, all people on earth have every right to pulverise Islam. Islam, or whosoever speaks on behalf of it, should be the last to disagree. Because on its part Islam rejects and criticize everything ‘un-Islamic’ and claims the right to destroy all un-Islamic things on earth. On the same token, it is natural; indeed obligatory, for all un-Islamic individuals, people and views to pulverize Islam as much as possible. The simple logic of self-defence demands it! If an ideology considers entire world to be won and converted, by its own self-proclaimed mandate; then the world too has every right to strike back with equal vehemence, with everything in its command to finish such an imperialist ideology.

    A word for the Muslims: please don’t feel compelled to ‘defend’ Islam. You adhere to the religion/ideology is one thing. But you are not that ideology. Let the ulema, mufti, ayatolla and imam answer verbal criticism by giving fitting reply verbally only. If they are unable; in other words, if the ideology cannot take care of itself, i.e., it is unable to answer opposing arguments by counter-arguments, words for words, articles for articles, books for books and instead always resort to threats, violence or arson – then it is time for you to rethink about such a poor ideology.

  24. Venkatesh
    February 4, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    Good show Avinash. Am a bit surprised by the number of hindu sounding names supporting Vicky! Reporting my foot! They report only created stories paid for by someone!

  25. Avinash
    February 4, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    @ Ranger, thanks for posting the message on Mr. Vicky Nanjappa’s page. My comments are still available on his another blog:

    http://vickynanjapa.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/church-attacks-kar-is-at-no-1/

    Pl see my comments on that page and the following reply given by Mr. Vicky Nanjappa:

    I dont report to u. I will do it at my own time. U cant rush me and stop your hate measages on the site. U have a problem dont read. I dont need to explain the nuiances of reporting to you. And wat on earth were u trying to point out on the right wong story. Did u even understand. Am i the one speaking about the aseemanand confession or is it the nia which had the confession which had mow been retratcted. If u open ur pea brains a bit u wud understand the goof up that has happened. U appear to be a communally charged up person and trust me the site can do without ur comments. And one more thing stop dictAting terms to me. If u want to fight i am open to it. At least i write with my name an details. Hope u get that.

    Unquote

    I have not used a single abusive word against any one but Mr. Vicky Nanjappa has not only removed my messages but kept the abusive messages (even Saaala bhag gaya)!!!!! He lacks intellectual honesty.

  26. Ranger
    February 4, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    By the way, I have to say this blog is a pleasure to visit since the banning of the trolls. Wonderful debates, knowledgeable discussions, great comments – a place which internet hindus like us can call our own. No doubt there were many who got put off by the trolls and their negativity and hatefulness, and stayed away. Now they will probably feel a better environment here to participate in the discussions.

  27. NASH
    February 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    to tushar,

    what are the entry points to discuss islam?
    can you give a “dummy series” book version.

  28. Ranger
    February 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Avinash, I checked out the blog you referred to. They have deleted your posts. I wrote this post in reply, but I dont think the blogger – Vicky Nanjappa, ace Rediff investigator and exposer of “hindu terror” will publish it.

    ———————

    Who is this invisible person that all of you people are responding to ? I am assuming he wrote something. To which you lot have responded to. But where are those posts ? I would like to see what he wrote to see what excited this sort of group anger. A discussion/debate where only one point of view gets published, is not a discussion/debate. It is a group monologue.

    Perhaps the writer of this blog has to specify that only a certain kind of political opinion will be published in the comments section of this blog. I too have an opinion on this particular blog post, but I dont see the point in saying it as there is no guarantee that it will remain published for long, considering I have a certain point of view that varies from that of the writer and his/her followers. In fact I doubt the chances of this comment being published as well.

    Anyway, have a nice day.

  29. tushar
    February 4, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    @All,

    In any debate about islam and muslims it is important to focus more on islam than on muslims and to stress the difference. If we attack muslims, then there is the risk of being labelled a bigot (even quicker) and that ends the discussion. In any case, I think most of us would agree that most muslims are far more decent than their religion. So if we want to educate anyone, we ought to keep this in mind.

  30. tushar
    February 4, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    Itachi,

    abdullah tariq is the mentor of naik. After debate with MP arya,he vowed never to have public debates again.
    Interesting. Haven’t seen that one yet. I’m still seeing the one with murtaza.

  31. tushar
    February 4, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    in one of his debates produced verses in arabic and asked to distingush which belonged to the quran and which didnt;and they screwed up.

    Hehehehe.

    while the online dawahs justify them based on the hadith and sunnah literature, the bible and the torah.
    Yes. If they had any independent sense of logic or right and wrong, they wouldn’t stick with their religions too long. It’s all based on this or that “Holy book”.

    Ali Sina’s debate with Ghamidi is delightful so far, and it’s all too easy for Ali Sina actually. The sad thing however, is that in the 21st century, human beings are still having such debates about ridiculous primitive belief systems. The metaphysical debates among the various indian schools of philosophy were on an entirely different level, needless to say.

  32. ItAcHi
    February 4, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    tushar,
    abdullah tariq is the mentor of naik. After debate with MP arya,he vowed never to have public debates again. And yeah, the arabic thing doesnt work too. The muslims beleive that teh literature of quran cannot be challenged; I heard MP arya in one of his debates produced verses in arabic and asked to distingush which belonged to the quran and which didnt;and they screwed up.
    In fact, muslim dawahs have gone overdrive in trying to answer MP on the net,claiming to have answered his questions. MP had made his response to them through agniveer;will give the link if I can find it.Problem is, the dharmic view and the abrahamic view are so radically opposite that it is dificult to find a middle ground to see who is correct. MP justifies his points from the dharmic perspective, while the online dawahs justify them based on the hadith and sunnah literature, the bible and the torah. This is why the likes of ali sina have far more impact , for they too have abrahamic literature as their back up against dawah dudes.
    Anyways, check out the one with ghamidi.

  33. Avinash
    February 4, 2012 at 9:40 AM

    @ Amit, you are right. They neither have any knowledge about the ideology of other religions nor do they have the maturity to have a dignified debate.

  34. NASH
    February 4, 2012 at 6:11 AM

    to Avinash,

    @cricfan replied me about how they see partial part of everything,if you followed his comments in S L BHYRAPPA.That implies the small part of the whole looks like complete truth.May be you can play around with this info.

  35. Amit
    February 4, 2012 at 3:30 AM

    Avinash, as Tushar said above, debating with seculars and liberals in India regarding this issue is a fruitless endeavor, for the simple reason that they will neither see nor accept the vile acts done by Religion of Peace; and if you challenge them with facts, instead of debating the merit of argument, their usual m.o. is to call you names like “fascist”, “right wing” or “RSS,” or all three. Why would you want to waste your time engaging with such cretins who do not have the intellectual maturity to have a debate and are dishonest?

  36. tushar
    February 3, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    @Avinash,

    Debates with bleeding heart liberals usually end when you ask them whether they have read the koran and the life of mo. If they haven’t (usually the case) then they have no basis on which to discuss muslims or islam. However if they have read and still see no difference, then god help them. No point discussing anything with morons.

  37. tushar
    February 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM

    Itachi thanks for the link.

    I’m in the middle of watching the debate MP Arya had with a muslim (quran and vedas). I think MP arya’s videos are significant because they happen to be in hindi. This will be useful as hindi speakers start accessing the net in increasing numbers. MP arya also seems to be as well versed in arabic as anyone. So the “you don’t know arabic” argument doesn’t hold here.

    In the debate so far the muslim guy seems like a perfectly decent fellow. But evil they say has a force of its own and draws towards itself perfectly decent human beings. Feel sad for them really.

    http://www.youtube.com/truthwisdom2008

  38. Avinash
    February 3, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    Hi friends, pl visit this link and see some pesudo-secular Hindus are attacking me for telling some unpalatable truth!!

    http://vickynanjapa.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/right-wing-terror-probe-on-or-gone/#comment-9361

  39. ItAcHi
    February 3, 2012 at 10:19 PM

    Straying off topic once again: Please check out this debate between ali sina and javed ghamidi.I generally browse through a lot of religion forums, but have never come across a debate of this level. Actually took me 4 days to go through each line of the debate; but was shaken to the core by the end. For one, the pakistani muslim scholar is really a good muslim and a great scholar, staying sincere and polite to the end;no tomfoolery like joker naik and for another, I felt that it would be ex-muslims ,and not jews or hindus who will bring about the end of islam.

    http://alisina.org/islam-probed/

  40. bbc
    February 3, 2012 at 7:10 AM

    Wow! Just found out that the trolls have been banned! \m/ :)

  41. Avinash
    February 1, 2012 at 11:31 PM

    If Gita is taught or Surya Namaskar is conducted in some Schools, it is a big problem for our bleeding heart secularists but what happens in Christian and Muslim majority countries?

    Speak up for Christianity, Cameron tells Archbishop: PM calls on the Church to defend ‘values and moral code’ of the Bible

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075205/Speak-Christianity-Cameron-tells-Archbishop-PM-calls-Church-defend-values-moral-code-Bible.html#ixzz1l9cuPflT

  42. Avinash
    February 1, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    If Gita is taught of Surya Namaskar is conducted in some Schools, it is a big problem for our bleeding heart secularists but what happens in Christian and Muslim majority countries?

    Speak up for Christianity, Cameron tells Archbishop: PM calls on the Church to defend ‘values and moral code’ of the Bible

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075205/Speak-Christianity-Cameron-tells-Archbishop-PM-calls-Church-defend-values-moral-code-Bible.html#ixzz1l9cuPflT

  43. Avinash
    February 1, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    @ ItAcHi, I heard of Mahendra Pal Arya as he used to regularly send “Love Letters” to the great aalim Dr.Zakir Naik for an open televised debate but I was not aware that he was previously an Imam. He has still not accepted the challenge. Dr. Babu Suseelan is a Clinical Psychologist and Hindu Activist.

    Vinay and Tima are no doubt Muslims. They are practicing Al Taqiyya, the Islamic Art of Deception.

  44. cricfan
    February 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    @itachi: thanks for the info on mahendra pal and Suseelan. v useful.
    “we dont need to go as far as ibn warraq” :
    ibn warraq was born in India too. His ancestors were ‘Khatris’. Among the more interesting moments in this video talk is at the very end, where he exposes Amartya Sen.

  45. karumadikkuttan
    February 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    @itachi, you can have the details about Babu Suseelan from haindavakeralam website.

  46. ava
    February 1, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    I knew he was a Mullah because he did not know jack about Hinduism, and often referred to Hindus as “idolaters” in typical Mullah fashion, how can someone whose religious outlook and horizons is bound by the Koran even understand the Dharmic religions? His comments and posts were so dumb that it was obvious he knew nothing about Hinduism. He called himself a leftist but used a Hindu name….As for his reading “so much” I doubt he read anything at all judging from his comments….Anyway, no more on those people.

  47. Vikram
    February 1, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    Hi Sandeep,

    You forgot to mention that the high priest of Indian secularism Kushwanth Singh recommended a ban on Satanic verses.

    See the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses_controversy#Reception_timeline

  48. tushar
    February 1, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Itachi, thanks for the info about Mahendra Pal Acharya.

    Has anyone read about Mansor Almaribe? Please do check out his story. How many muslim countries would do the same for any non-muslim immigrant citizens?

  49. tushar
    February 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    “”but I also thought he was having some good knowledge of his own”"

    He would read hindu history or philosophy and only find things to mock in them. Perhaps he would read them ONLY to find things to mock. That he managed to mock all things Hindu inspite of reading so much is a testament to how powerful the human ego is, or should we say maya? Such a person is a moorkh, and cannot be called knowledgeable. If you give a guy mutton biryani and all he can do is bitch about the bones he found in it, we can hardly call him a connoisseur.

    Anyway this is my last post on that moron.

  50. ItAcHi
    February 1, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    I know his comments are genreally jibes against hinduism and other commenters, but I also thought he was having some good knowledge of his own., which is why I said if he came for serious discussion keeping aside the spite and hatred, it would be useful.
    we dont need to go as far as ibn warraq or ayan hirsi ali…there is mahendra pal arya who was previously the imam of a UP mosque..check him out.. and can anyone provide me some info on babu suseelan?Apparently he is one of the board members (apart from pamella geller, robert spencer,ali sina) of Stop Islamisation Of Nations (SION) group.

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