Festival of the Politically Correct Sissies: Part 2

Pick a name. Pick any name from the loathsome galaxy of the Politically Correct Sissies that I listed in the Part 1.

Let’s start with the head honcho, the White Mughal himself. Hartosh Singh Bal’s searing piece elicited the predictable accusation of racism from the stung Mughal. Bal called the Mughal’s racist bluff telling him he doesn’t know what racism really means. Badly beaten, the Mughal slunk away muttering a “regret.” School day lessons work: a bully will never bother you again if you hit back with equal or greater force.

Let’s pick another name. Girish Karnad. The man who famously led a tribe of followers to “protest” against the “saffronization/communalization” of Datta Peeta/Bababudangiri. The unsullied genteel extraordinaire in him trembled the moment he heard that cops planned to put him in jail as a preventive measure. He abandoned his anti-saffronization experiment instantly and dumped his Faithful Minions right at Hassan and fled back to Bangalore.

Let’s pick yet another name: Salman Rushdie, the dish that liberal fundamentalists of all hues across the world can neither spit nor swallow.

The Satanic Verses is famous for being infamous. That’s its only claim to fame. When was the last time you heard somebody discussing the literary merits of the Satanic Verses? And be honest: how many of you have read that damned book? Raise your hands so that I can flog you for lying because I’m not. I’ve actually read the book: all 27 pages of it.

Yet we need to be thankful to Rushdie for writing it because it was the resounding slap that awoke the comfortably-numb Western world to the beast that “pure” Islam is. The Satanic Verses became an international issue, even a “civilizational faultline (sic)”  because of Rushdie’s fame as a tremendously successful English writer who the entire Western world held in awe, esteem and the rest. Had he been a little-known, obscure Indian writing in English, one of these things would have happened: The Satanic Verses would’ve never been published or if it was published, it would’ve been instantly banned and/or some Islamic fanatic would’ve murdered him.

Poor Rushdie, living safely in the haven of England, perhaps didn’t realize exactly how seriously the Mullahs worldwide take even the thought of insulting Mohammed (PBUH because I don’t want to be stabbed or fatwa’d.). And his affront was in the magnitude of millions because he was a Muslim himself no matter what he claimed. Islam offers repentance to those who insult Allah but death and only death to the one who insults the Prophet!

What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.

The man who gave us this memorable quote also wrote that he regretted

profoundly the distress the publication [The Satanic Verses]  has occasioned to the sincere followers of Islam. Living as we do in a world of many faiths, this experience has served to remind us that we must all be conscious of the sensibilities of others.

And the same man also removed a sentence in Midnight’s Children as part of an out-of-the-court settlement because an offended Indira Gandhi had sued him.

This is the same man who gives us well-worded definitions of free expression.

And it is this singular trait that binds him with all these Politically Correct Sissies: they seem to think that they’re unaccountable to their utterances. Had Rushdie practiced what he himself preached about free speech, he would’ve fought Indira Gandhi in court and would’ve courageously stuck to his stand instead of issuing a groveling apology to those insult-seeking, insane Mullahs. The apology was his way of doing a Girish Karnad—abandoning values for personal purposes. And he deserves what he got—or didn’t get by chickening out, forcing himself to stay away from that Festival of the Politically Correct Sissies. Had he exhibited even one evidence even once that he has a backbone, people would have supported him. On the contrary, he has shown every single time that he holds his life dearer than the principle of free expression he claims he values so much. Those who are afraid have no moral right to protest against evil.

And thus it is with the rest of the Politically Correct Sissies who vociferously supported him. The courageous, the honourable, and the right thing to do for the Sissies that read out from the Satanic Verses was to stage a protest and/or court arrest when they were asked to leave. But no. Indeed, a certain Politically Correct Sissy, after meekly acquiescing, went ahead and wrote this self-righteous bile.  So craven is Amitava Kumar that he prefaces that self-righteous bile thus:

Writer Amitava Kumar was advised to leave the recently held Jaipur Literature Festival after he had read…extracts from .. “The Satanic Verses….” The following is a stream of messages that, like Gibreel Farishta in The Satanic Verses, Mr. Kumar dreamed he had written.

This is Gold Standard Cowardice. Amitava Kumar couldn’t summon guts to actually tweet all that crap in real time, on his Twitter Timeline. And it’s fitting given that his Literary God was furiously masturbating live everyday about how was being victimized by the government of India, the government of Rajasthan, the Mad Mullahs, the Italian Mafia, the Drug Mafia, the human traffickers…the whole world. He did everything except the right thing: coming to India and facing deportation and/or arrest.

But the hypocrisy plumbs lower and lower. None of the sissies, even by error, say why Muslim groups got all riled up. Not one mention by any of them that Islam sanctions, indeed mandates this kind of behaviour. Not one mention that the ruling Congress party is a party that cowers before, encourages, and pampers such violent attempts to throttle free speech. On the contrary, they invite and slaver all over the selfsame Congress guy who recently put out a fatwa on free expression. And yet, these literary wimps and liberal pretenders fulminate at the unfairness of it all. This is self-deception of epic proportions.

And so there you have: ample evidence of rampant, all-pervasive sissiness.

The upcoming UP elections as a factor for the Congress refusing to allow Rushdie entry into India is just a manifestation. The disease is very old, dating as far back as the days of Gandhi. But purely in Rushdie’s context, it dates back to 1988 when Rajiv Gandhi held the dishonour of chucking India right into the front-most row of nations that implemented Khomeini’s fatwa by banning the Satanic Verses. That was the fertile soil that yielded the rich harvest of the insane, fanatical Muslim groups who’ve held the Festival of the Politically Correct Sissies hostage.  Back in 1988, several of these sissies still in business, and other sissies from another generation roused a deafening din to have the Satanic Verses banned. They erupted in simultaneous multiple orgasms when it was banned. And now, when they’re faced with the bitter fruit of their past misdeeds, they cry foul.

Actually, the sissies deserve every bit of whatever is happening to them now.

Postscript: Personally, it saddens me that this charade is happening in Jaipur, Rajasthan. Or what was once known as Rajaputana, the land that witnessed the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of brave warriors who gladly shed their blood to save their land and way of life from being raped and wiped out by fanatical Islamic hordes. The land whose women were warrior-like in their courage and heroism: when I stood inside the Chittorgarh fort at the site where women committed Jauhar en masse, my eyes welled up on their own. And today, this same Rajaputana is ruled by a party and a Chief Minister who is a slave to those selfsame hordes wearing a different garb, talking in a different language and living in a different point in time.

303 comments for “Festival of the Politically Correct Sissies: Part 2

  1. Ranger
    February 20, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    By the way, the latest from the ace investigators of Tehelka is that my Karnataka is India’s 2nd hindu fascist state after Gujarat :)

  2. ItAcHi
    February 20, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    Jooske, I had posted this here earlier. India would go down in history as the most chootiya nation in history if this “rally” happens.
    this is one message I found on FB, in agniveer page:

    “Please report to Delhi Police/ Intelligence Agencies against open threat by terrorists for a rally on March 3 in National Capital demanding establishment of Islamic rule and subjugation of non-Muslims in India. Visit http://www.shariah4hind.com/ for more details on this dangerous plan by some of the most dangerous extremists of world. You can report to police at 1090 or by contacting them through http://www.delhipolice.nic.in/ . You can also file FIR. Let us all stand united against terrorism. Please circulate this message.”

  3. Jooske
    February 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    what politically correct sissies gets you.( only can happen in India)

    “Implementing Sharia law, Islamizing India, destroyig idols of Hindu deities, Fatwa against Indian political parties, and axing Bollywood: the agenda on shariah4hind.com is clear. The website calls for the implementation of these aspects on a gathering scheduled on 3 March, 2012.”


  4. gopal
    February 20, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    In your attempt to be too smart your are really showing your real identity Mr “F”

    “unless of course he publicily accepts that he has changed his views about Muslims” – What are his views? And when did he express it to you?

    “he accepts every Indian to be an Indian first and last and acknowledges that religion is an entirely personal affair of an individual” ha ha ha ha didn’t RSS and Modi say that? If Modi says this he is anti-muslim and when you say it, this becomes liberal! ha ha ha

  5. tushar
    February 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM


    No. Hope Sandeep is watching.

  6. CC
    February 20, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    Am I the only one who thinks this rockyF is loneranger/tima/bhavna in a new avatar?

  7. Jooske
    February 20, 2012 at 10:11 AM

    @Rocky F

    You are off topic unless you says that the current bunch rulling India is a bunch of politically correct sisies.

    What we need is “liberal principles, rule of law and one law for every Indian.”

    You first paragraph implies that we do not have this at the moment? If so, I agree with you.

    Lot of asumptions made in the second and third paragraph.( Where did you get the third paragraph from?)In fact the whole post is full of assumptions.

    “changed his views about Muslims and he accepts every Indian to be an Indian first and last and acknowledges that religion is an entirely personal affair of an individual). ”

    What view does he have of Muslims and where do you get this from?.Let us know.

    Did he say that Muslims are not Indians first? When?

  8. Ranger
    February 20, 2012 at 8:46 AM

    RockyF… you create a an image of Modi that is not really true and proceed to destroy it. Modi is one of the best administrators, and visionary head of states in the world, not just in India. Go to Gujarat and see the progress the state has made under Modi over the last 10 years. Talk to anybody in his state. Its sad that even some reasonable people (I am assuming you are one) view Modi through the lens of those whose main business is Modi baiting. I suppose the constant baiting and lying has worked. If Modi does not become the prime minister of India, the loss to India and every single India will be huge – it will be the difference between being a part of a glorious future and just a continuance of the present situation of utter mediocrity.

  9. NASH
    February 20, 2012 at 8:44 AM

    to rockyF

    your writing on modi and his remarks do not mention the cause for that.You have not written about the cause for all that.so how to agree ?,on your law of equality principle which you seem to wish happen.

  10. Jooske
    February 20, 2012 at 6:57 AM

    India’s dubious Secularists (or the dishonest Secularists)

    “The contrast is self-evident. Rushdie, who just wrote about a disputed tradition in Islam, was hounded for decades and is on a death threat even now, and people who had nothing to do with either the book or Rushdie have been butchered. Even today the fear of slaughter in his name haunts the world, as the Jaipur meet shows. But, all that Husain, who, in the name of freedom hurt the Hindus — “considered as the gentlest and most civilised on the earth” according to Mahatma Gandhi — faced were normal protests. ”

    “The protests by Hindus against Husain were ant-bite compared to the scale of violence against Rushdie’s book, even though the hurt to the Hindu sentiments by the perverted paintings of Husain were explicit and undeniably monumental. But what is distressingly shameful is the politics of contrast. See how the secular media, parties, leaders and state glorified Husain’s right to abuse Hindu gods and goddesses to wound Hindus and how the same secular actors repeatedly decried Rushdie’s similar right to hurt Muslims.

    “Now something even more shameful. The ‘seculars’, including the media, had ceaselessly condemned the normal protests against shows displaying Husain’s painting and pontificated to Hindus about the need for tolerance. But they wouldn’t utter a word against the violence by Muslims nor ask them to be tolerant. The reason is obvious. They are dishonest.”


  11. RockyF
    February 19, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    We need someone who is satvic and believes in liberal principles, rule of law and one law for every Indian.

    Not someone who wants to bring in more draconion laws in the name of security, not someone who believes that religion is a matter to be decided by the country, not someone who thinks everyone must wear a tikka on the forehead and utter Jai shri Ram in order to be considered an Indian.

    Not someone who thinks genocide is the correct answer to ‘teach terrorists and jihadis’ a lesson.

    We want someone who will improve the systems, who will improve judiciary, give police better training and create a fair and law based free society where every Indian can live, work, follow any religion or read any book or see any movie that he/she chooses.

    We need a tolerant, liberal minded person like Vajpayee who could appreciate and gel with Indian diversity from Kashmir to Kanyakumari. Not someone like Modi who has clearly shown to side with one community over another. His derrogatory comment ‘hum paanch hamare pachees’ (about Muslims) immediately after the riots is recorded for posterity. BJP must stop its obsession with Modi.

    I thin Maj. Gen. BC Khanduri would be a great choice as a possible Prime Ministerial candidate.

    Similarly Manohar Parrikar from Goa (an IIT qualified engineer with highly progressive views) would be another good, hard working person to become Prime Minister. He is known for very good governance in Goa. Both Christians and Hindus in Goa respect him very much.

    We cannot have Modi. His record is far too tainted. (Even if judiaciary leaves him scot-free, in the mind-set of a section of people in India, he is no less than devil incarnate. We all know what is meant by ‘judiciary’ in India. People like Jayalalitha or Laloo Yadav or many other powerful people responsible for anti-sikh riots are roaming scot free in this country. So judiciary in India is a plaything of the powerful).

    If this man becomes PM, surely it will be a sad day for India (unless of course he publicily accepts that he has changed his views about Muslims and he accepts every Indian to be an Indian first and last and acknowledges that religion is an entirely personal affair of an individual). From his record till now, this man is not a person who welcomes criticisms or liberal thinking.
    In other words, a developed, free and liberal society, where any person from any part of the world will feel comfortable to work and live.

  12. cricfan
    February 19, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    @Rajarshi: “trying to purge myself from all the nonsensical garbage that I’ve inculcated over the years on the pretext of education.”

    join the club :)

  13. tushar
    February 19, 2012 at 12:08 AM


    Yes, Deepak Chopra is probably the worst in that list, but there are some real gems in there. I really recommend startin with Swami Vivekananda’s Raja Yoga, before going to Shankaracharya or people like Ramana Maharishi. It is available below, but it is better to buy the book from Ramakrishna mission. Only about Rs 25 or so.


  14. Rajarshi
    February 18, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    @Tushar: Thank you for the recommendations. The link you provided in your post contains the books written by Deepak Chopra. I’ve always found him rather odious, he comes across as a person who is distorting Vedic philosophy in order to peddle pseudo-spirituality to the westerners.
    @cricfan : I’m hamstrung by my lack of knowledge and therefore refrain from making any ill-advised comments. I’ve only begun to learn about ancient India and Hinduism; trying to purge myself from all the nonsensical garbage that I’ve inculcated over the years on the pretext of education.

  15. cricfan
    February 17, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    @rockyF: i used ~17.5% of india’s population as source of T’ists, but feel free to use a smaller or larger percentage.

  16. cricfan
    February 17, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    @rockyF: thanks for the thought-provoking discussion. I found one para particularly interesting in terms of its numerical consequences.

    “Of course there will be still some 0.01 % who will be radicalised and become terrorists. These have to identified promptly, weeded out and jailed (may be for 30 or 40 years if the crimes are serious), so that their harm to society would be minimal. ”

    1. per rough calculations, this seemingly tiny number of 0.01% translates to about 20,000 terrorists today (0.0001 X 0.175 X 1.2 X 10^9) . that’s a pretty big number to track, jail (and then maintain for 40 yrs at tax-payer expense, but i digress).

    2. if the trend of % of radicalized ppl increases, and/or the source population % trends upwards, this future number go up even more

    3. locking away today’s 20K, as India has been trying to do for a while now, only means that India can *continue* to keep the future radicalized % down to around 0.01% (and even that is kinda doubtful).

    it’s like a person buying new buckets every day to collect water from a leaking tap, rather than trying to repair the tap.

  17. tushar
    February 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    the first step in any ‘progressive christianity’ comes from wholly abandoning history-centrism

    I want to ask you about this, but first, the way I see it, I think it is more of an issue of philosophy or Church dogma. If they abandon the concept of vicarious atonement, then they are no longer “churchians” and a threat to other spiritual traditions. If you see this article (link below) by their main preacher, he says that he doesn’t believe we are all sinners or that we need Jesus to save us. Now this is plenty good enough for me.

    Also, if a christian says “There are as many paths to God as there are feet”, then he has no basis on which to convert people. Now either he has outgrown church dogma, or he doesn’t understand the full import of the statement. But the latter case is unlikely because it is an essential tenet of mainstream christianity that salvation is only through the church, so we usually don’t find christians saying “there are many paths to god”, because that would render the church irrelevant. So would abandoning the idea of vicarious atonement.

    About Tagore’s poem, the “my Father” part wasn’t added by them. Google “mind without fear by Rabindranath Tagore”.

    Hence my case, that this “church” is not necessarily like most Churches.


    Now, what do you mean by history centrism and why should that be abandoned?

  18. cricfan
    February 17, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    @Tushar: “If a christian starts to understand these lines and actually believe them, then to me that is a huge step forward.

    There are as many names for God as there are tongues to speak them.
    There are as many faces of God as there are eyes to behold them.
    There are as many paths to God as there are feet to walk them.

    1. church will adopt any good (or bad) ritual / song / symbol / icon as long as it can be digested without conflict with their history centrism. u can take each of the above lines and easily interpret and explain it without such a conflict.

    2. the term progressive Hinduism itself insinuates that they do not think Hinduism in itself is progressive. of course it doesnt prevent them from using “ancient” ideas from Hinduism to market their brand.

    3. the final poem of Tagore that ends with an invocation to ‘the father’ is an especially nice touch, imho.

    the first step in any ‘progressive christianity’ comes from wholly abandoning history-centrism (so they can take their first baby steps into self-realization). everything else is cosmetic.

  19. tushar
    February 17, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    Un bloody believable….

    The day following a car bomb in the heart of Lutyens’ Delhi seriously injured an Israeli diplomat, the Police Commissioner of Delhi held a media briefing. Apart from the usual homilies about ‘pursuing all leads’ and the force doing its utmost to bring the perpetrators to justice, he issued a brief note about the “sticky bomb” that had made its explosive debut in Delhi. According to a report in the Delhi edition of Times of India, the note stated: “Sticky bombs are a type of explosives crafted from one Bomb and 5 Gel. At point blank range, it can cause a total of 100 damage to mobs and 200 to the player.” The note apparently listed a series of ‘statistics’: Damage 100, Max Stack 50, Shoot Speed 5, Use Time 24, Sell 1.

    The bewildered reporter did a spot of research on the net and was aghast to discover that the note had been copy pasted from something called Terraria Wiki, a popular site for players of the on-line game Terraria.

    ….Rest can be read at http://www.swapan55.com/2012/02/demands-of-greatness-india-is-long-way.html

  20. NASH
    February 17, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    to cricfan
    1.why organisations are categorised into black without ascertaining?
    2.what is that, that makes to accept media writings without discussion?
    3.how come only few get the benefit of doubt?
    4.why discrimination in pointing fingers?
    5.when passing judgements on two communities what were the observations that got overlooked?
    the above are with respect to @rockyF.

    may this inspire you to answer me –> http://www.vedaunion.org/rudram2012/material/

    listen to Anuvakam 1-11 Audio

  21. tushar
    February 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM


    Have you read the koran and do you know anything about the life of mohammed from primary sources?

  22. tushar
    February 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    Koenraad elst has a couple of posts on Hinduism, arya samaj and monotheism at his blog.


  23. tushar
    February 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM


    To be honest, going just by the leaflet, it seemed more like progressive christianity to me. If a christian starts to understand these lines and actually believe them, then to me that is a huge step forward.

    There are as many names for God as there are tongues to speak them.
    There are as many faces of God as there are eyes to behold them.
    There are as many paths to God as there are feet to walk them.

    This is not to say that churches are not trying to scam people by using Hindu symbols, terminology, rituals etc etc. But this one didnt seem to be one of those.

  24. cricfan
    February 17, 2012 at 9:04 AM

    couldnt find a suitable thread to post this link. a neat example of digestion of Hinduism by the Church via inculturation. notice how Tagore’s English poems are appropriated. introducing “progressive” Hinduism:

  25. cricfan
    February 16, 2012 at 6:28 AM

    @Rajarshi, if u have some time, pls post comments/discussions from such books under a suitable thread. would be appreciated.

  26. Rajarshi
    February 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    @Jooske and Nash: Thank you for replying to my request and I’m greatly indebted to both of you for introducing me to such honest and prolific writers. I’ve read harvesting our souls by Arun Shourie which was nothing short of a revelation, a very compelling read.I can’t wait to procure the books which both of you have mentioned. Thank you for taking the pain to reply to my queries :)

  27. tushar
    February 15, 2012 at 7:25 PM


    For pure metaphysics you can check out some of the works of Shankaracharya and I would suggest Ramakrishna mission publications. For more general reading on Hinduism you can go through the “reading room” at http://www.belurmath.org

    You can also read books by Ramana Maharishi (who am I) or Nisargadatta Maharaj (I am that) available at the link below. These, although they combine both philosophy and practical teachings, are closer to the path of “jnana”. The link below also has many other books you might find useful.

  28. Jooske
    February 15, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    While on the subject of writings,read this great piece.

    Truth Through Innuendos and Assertions

    “The technique is effective and therefore widely used. Truth though innuendos and assertions. Opinions expressed repeatedly morph into “facts” in the average mind. Assert something without proof, and repeat the assertion often enough that it spread through contagion and becomes general knowledge. Then rely on that general knowledge to provide the fillers needed for making one’s case. ”


    “Innuendos and unsupported assertion works wonders in the popular mind,” CJ said. “And it works all the time. It is used to dress up charlatans as paragons of virtue, and it is used to needlessly demonize perfectly ordinary people. Mother Teresa was arguably a terrible person but got painted as a saint. Modi gets the exact opposite treatment. The media has its own agenda and people are generally too busy or too lazy to think a bit about what’s being reported.”


  29. Jooske
    February 15, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    @ Rajarshi

    Read anything and everything by Sita Ram Goel, Arun Shourie and Ram Swarup

    That will keep you busy for a long time.

    They are the Indian scholars,intellectuals and historians.

  30. NASH
    February 15, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    to Rajarshi,

    1.A history of indian Philosophy by Surendranath Dasgupta published by motilal bannarsidass group.
    2.vedas by shri kanchi parmacharya is simple to read and gives a peek into the logical mind.

    the above should start you off and on the way you will get many other references.

    happy reading.

  31. Rajarshi
    February 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Can anyone please recommend some books on Indian History(pre-muslim era),philosophy and Hinduism written by Indians? Also can you please cite some Indian scholars,intellectuals and historians whose work I should be reading?
    Thank you

  32. ItAcHi
    February 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Hey, can anyone confirm whether this rally by anjem choudhary is going to happen in new delhi on march 3?

    This bastard is the proponent of sharia for hind. He vows to “bring down hindu temples and bollywood” and to establish muslim rule in India(and elsewhere) as “muslims are not to be governed by non muslims” as per quran.

    This a$$hole gets to organise hate rallies in the national capital, and rushdie is advised to stay away from India?

    Did a bit of searching and found some interesting quotes from sharia for hind.


  33. RockyF
    February 14, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    I have read the biography of Sardar Patel and also looked at independent material about him… Although he was protective of Hindus in some instances (as noted in the book of Maulana Abdul Kalam and others), he was certainly nowhere close to Modi…. But again as I said, I do appreciate Modi’s developmental efforts, but to be honest, if it was for the leadership of India, I would prefer someone like Nitish Kumar or Chandrababu Naidu…. action-oriented but largely non-communal in their perspective..)

    There is no denying the fact that Muslims have committed lot of atrocities. However, I am against this turning the wheel back approach which is adopted by some of the ‘pseudo Hindus’.

    In fact, once during a long flight I had a person from Africa sitting with me and we were discussing issues related to Africa. And I asked him… “Why is it my friend, that in some sub-urbs of UK and USA, in the night, one is more likely to meet a black man with a knife than a white man or an Asian man…?” (I was not merely generalizing but this was borne out of many of my newspaper readings… where several blacks were always caught in the street muggings etc.)

    Of course, the African man laughed.. He told me that part of it could be a little generalization on my part. But he also said that part of it is because many of the black men (especially in US and Carribean) had ancestors who were slaves. These ancestors were treated extremely cruelly and brutally and so somehow these ancestors have passed on their stories to the younger generation…. And so, … some of the younger generation have this terrible sense of grievance and anger within them… This terrible sense of negativity and grievance which makes them want to kill, destroy and be violent.

    Now this is one theory.

    Well I using this story as a metaphor. A similar sense of anger and grievance is often injected by groups like VHP, RSS and others (the talk of Muslim atrocities, violence etc. against India in the past) to create this feeling of hatred and fear.

    This is not good for our society. Any society which is fed on anger and grievance is building up negativity which will burst sometime or the other.

    Look at case of Germany. There was so much negativity and grievance after the first world war in Germany. It erupted in the form of the holocaust of millions of Europeans (mainly jews).

    That is why I don’t like Modi or Sanghis or VHP types. They are feeding so much negativity and a sense of grievance.

    See what has happened to the Muslim community in countries like Pakistan. They fed so much grievance and negativity to their young people … grievance and negativity about Palestine problem, grievance and negativity about loss of Kashmir and so on….

    Finally this is troubling their own community because some of their own people are becoming suicide bombers, gangsters, terrorists and creating an almost endless cycle of violence and counter-violence.

    Look at the RSS and VHP. Will they be able to solve the Muslim problem in India..? Are 11 crore Muslims going to disappear..? Or with people like Modi at the helm of affairs are they going to be bullied and treated like second class citizens..? (Having difficulty in even renting houses in some localities in Ahmedabad etc.)

    See, with your obsession on the past, you are forgetting that Muslims are changing (though not at the speed that we would like them to change)…

    10-15 years back, women in Saudi Arabia (the most stringest Islamic country) could not drive cars. It was banned. But now it is allowed. A religious teacher was sacked recently in Saudi Arabia because he said that men and women could be seen together under some circumstances (even when they are not married). So change is happening…. but it is slow…

    So our duty as intellectuals and thinkers, is to be a catalyst in the Muslim process of change towards liberalism.

    Branding them as undesirable elements in our society and thinking of our society as a Hindu- only type of society is going to ghettoise them and drive them underground. (Which is the approach of people like Modi, Thackeray and Sangh parivar…)

    In fact, I would suggest that if we succeed in bringing better quality of life to Muslims in India and liberalising their thought process and outlook through education; the Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh are going to slowly emulate them. (And there is a possibility that some time in the future we could live in more of peaceful co-existence with our neighbours).

    In fact, sometimes I do refer to Pakistani newspapers and I see some letters from Indian Muslims.

    Recently I found it very heart-warming to see that one of these Indian Muslims had written that they are glad to have stayed behind in India after 1947. In fact under one such comment a Pakistani Muslim from Karachi had written that ‘wish my grandparents had also decided to stay back in India’.

    So my point is that slowly and slowly Muslims are getting there….but we have to accelerate this process by education, support and bringing them into the mainstream.

    Of course there will be still some 0.01 % who will be radicalised and become terrorists. These have to identified promptly, weeded out and jailed (may be for 30 or 40 years if the crimes are serious), so that their harm to society would be minimal.

    But you have to remember that even 0.01 percent out of 11 crores is a sizeable number and therefore we may be tempted to paint the whole community as violent terrorists. This must be avoided.

    But what must be carefully avoided is to create another group of radical Hindus to combat these radical Muslims… and create a cycle of violence and counterviolence… (What are we aiming at, creating another ‘Palestine’ in India..?)

    Hope you get my perspective…

  34. ItAcHi
    February 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    for all the missionaries engaged in “freeing” india from caste, sati, and inhumane hindu practices, here is a track record of xtiantiy through the ages.. http://freetruth.50webs.org/

  35. Ranger
    February 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Hello people ? Why so quiet ?

  36. CC
    February 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    I was utterly shocked to read all about the Church’s activities from Vicky’s Nanjappa’s article on Rediff… he definitely deserves a lot credit for doing this piece. He must have taken a lot of risk doing it and it can’t have been easy.

  37. Avinash
    February 6, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    @ Venkatesh, I had also seen that. Yes, it seems that he has taken the suggestion seriously.

  38. Venkatesh
    February 6, 2012 at 6:00 PM
  39. ItAcHi
    February 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    The last supper painting by commies has created some tension in kerela….but we dont find the pseudos rushing in to defend the right of speech/expression etc. It was also just a painting of Da Vinci and not what the xtians worship as such.Hussain can paint goddesses in the nude, but this ! OMG ! is too much of a “blasphemy” to tolerate, so the pseudos are in hiding.

  40. tushar
    February 5, 2012 at 9:01 PM
  41. Ranger
    February 5, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Avinash… it was just one person posting under different nicks – male, female, Bengali, Tamilian etc. Probably Nanjappa himself or somebody close to him.

  42. Avinash
    February 5, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    @ Ranger, poor Vicky Nanjappa had to virtually eat his own words. All his paid chamchas could not salvage his honour and had to remove all comments from that page. Thanks for your support.

  43. Avinash
    February 5, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    @ Amit, I did not say that the Hindus worship Idols but the followers of some other Religions use the same as a pejorative for mocking the belief system of the Hindus though they themselves indulge in Idol worship in the examples given by me in the earlier message. What is actually worhsipped in the concept behind the Idol (the correct English word is Deity).

  44. ava
    February 5, 2012 at 1:38 AM

    That is why the one way, one book religions are annoying, they assume they understand other religions and try to impose on them, even though they often have no conception of what Hinduism is about, and impose their crude assumptions on it…..The association of Hindu culture with idolatory by Islam and even by the other two monotheisms is a case in point, is it not crude to impose on others when you have got a very shallow understanding of their culture and religion? This is the source of all religious conflict as everyone knows…..

  45. ava
    February 5, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    The first two paragraphs are meant to be in quotes and are on 305-306…..sorry for typos….
    Even village ” priests” often begin prayer and so on for other minor typos…..

  46. ava
    February 5, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    There is a good chapter of this in Andre Wink, volume 2 in the chapter the idols of Hind
    Here are some excerpts….

    The word idolatrous is formed from the Greek eidolon “image’….and latreia ‘adoration’. Hence from a strictly etymological point of view, idolatory would mean nothing but the ‘adoration of images’…..However, the concept of idolatory originated in the of the monotheism of Israel, I.e. in the second commandment, forbidding the making of representations of the divinity….As such the concept pased into the New Testament and early Christianity, and ultimately into Islam, with the result that the three monotheisms censured idolatory. In other words, it was through Greek translators that eidolon acquired the meaning of ‘false god’ nothing but vanity, molded metal and carved wood.
    For Judeo-Christianity, to worship as God things which are not God is, hence, idolatory. But there was, next to the infinite variations of the second commandment, also a theology which defended an icondule position….Thus the common apologia of Byzantine authors was essentially the pagan argument that images or statues are men’s teachers and can direct men’s minds towards the divinity, or that they were copy books through which man engraves on his memory the lineaments of divinity…..This pragmatic point of view closely connected the icons with their prototypes: they would direct the mind from the visible to the invisible, they were the books of the illiterate….this was the educationalists point of view which found easy acceptance
    In the theologically less sophisticated Christianity of early Europe, and it was this view which triumphed in Byzantine in 843 AD after intense theological debate providing continuity with the pagan worship of statues…..
    Then Wink goes on to compare the Byzantine icondule position which regarded the images as aids in contemplating the divine, as comparable to the function of Murtis in Hinduism which function as a yantra, an instrument which allows the worshipper to glimpse a reflection of the deity whose radiance transcends the power of the human eye to see….hence gods and goddesses are formed in images to aid the imagination towards the divine…..
    Even village priest often begin prayers saying I am sorry I worship you in these forms, this is due to my human limitation to fully grasp the divine….Muslims especially equated Hindu culture with idolatory, I think this has to do with the fact that their deserts had no art or adornment in their culture initially, so they are unable to understand the concept of yantra…..or what art meant for civilizations that had it……..

  47. Amit
    February 5, 2012 at 12:12 AM

    Avinash, do you really think that Hindus worship the idol? Not sure why you’d think rejecting that term is because of being ashamed.

  48. Avinash
    February 5, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    @ ava, the local customs and practices have affected the way various religions are practiced across the world. To my knowledge there are no Darghas in the Arabian countries and the South East Asian Muslims worshipping at the Darghas are mocked as “grave worshippers”!!!

    What I mean to say is that the Hindus need not be ashamed of “Idol Worship” as the same existed since time immimorial in one form or the other and it still continues all over the world.

    I do not believe in any God but at the same also do not think that the followers of other Religions have some divine right to ridicule the customs and practices of the Hindus, who generally do not have much knowledge about other Religions and the abusrdities in their belief system.

    I have no quarrel with the Believers but don’t bring God/Gods on to the streets and ceate problems for others.

  49. ava
    February 4, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    The use of images and icons in the orthodox Church which is a relic of Byzantine shows Greeek influence on Christianity. For example if you go to a Greek Orthodox Church, you will see a lot of icons, artwork and incense, and were you to forget the Christian doctrine, the priest reciting prayers almost resembles something you see in a Hindu temple. It is the Protestant Churches which are less colorful and devoid of imagery….Also in Iran the mosques are very decorative, as opposed to the original mosques in Saudi, this is because the original Iranian civilization had had art and architecture and so this creeps into the mosque building despite Islam….
    So what you see in Christianity especially in the Orthodox churches is a relic of Greece, the Protestant churches strike one as more Abrahamic in having no art or extensive icons and imagery as the original Abrahamic cultures in the desert did not have much in the way of art and architecture….

  50. Avinash
    February 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    Why only the Hindus need to be ashamed of “idol worship”? The Christians worship Idols of Jesus on a Cross, Infant Jesus with Mother Mary, Infant Jesus with Mother Mary and Joseph, thousands of their “Saints” etc, the Muslims circumambulate the Kaba and also keep the photograph of the Kaba at their houses are their work places apart from some photographs with something wirtten in Arabic (I think it is Sahada), the Jains who do not believe in any God, keep the Idols of thier Gurus (24 Tirtankaras), the Buddhists who do not believe in any God worship the Idol of Gautama Buddha.

    Idols/photographs etc are basically “props” used by people for worshipping but that does not mean that they are worshipping the statues made of Stone/Marble/Plaster of Paris or photographs!

    The ancient sages of our Country believed that the Universe originated from a single Primal Princle called SAT and in what ever form one worships, the same ultimately reaches the said Primal Principle (SAT). That was one reason for the Religious tolerance in our Country.

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