Father, Spare us Thy Ignorant Sermon

First, credit where it is due: sincere thanks to my all-knowing Twitter friends Gopi and Ranganaathan for bringing this to my attention.

Preface

A certain Father Dominic Emmanuel seems to have taken it upon himself to educate the Honourable Justices of the Bhopal high court about whether the Bhagavad Gita is a philosophical book or a religious book.  What is it with the preachers of Prophetic religions who seem to possess an itch-powder, the main effect of which is to interfere with the followers and teachings of other religions? What or who gives them the right to tell people of other faiths what their books mean, their Gods mean, their practices mean, and how they should regard their holy people? Anyway, the power of the itch-powder being very…powerful, Father Dominic (Hereinafter referred to as Fr Dom. Don’t think dirty, you filthy sinners!) does what the itch-powder directs him to do. And we do have Itch Guard.  Okay, bad joke.

This is the specific phrase in the Bhopal high court’s judgement that got Fr Dom’s frocks in a twist:

Surprisingly, however, there was no reaction from anyone when the Bhopal high court recently ruled that the Gita “is essentially a book on Indian philosophy and not a book on Indian religion”.

The reason, in Fr Dom’s own words is:

The bench of justices, Ajit Singh and Sanjay Yadav, held this view while dismissing a public interest litigation (PIL) filed by the spokesperson of the Catholic Church, Father Anand Muttungal, seeking to include summaries of sacred books of all other religions in the academic curriculum following the BJP state government’s announcement to include a summary of Bhagvad Gita in school curriculum.

I bet you already guessed that it had something to do with the BJP. Right? So how does Fr Dom go about educating the judges? By claiming that he did his “own research,” and that his said research

…suggests that the honourable justices themselves need a thorough re-reading on the origin of the Holy Book and its contents through the many commentaries on it, including that of Adi Shankaracharya.

Lord! I bet feels heady to stand on that High Pulpit delivering suggestions to high court judges! Only, the reality is that courts in India don’t deliver judgments based on what ill-informed Fathers spout as the findings of their research.

Father Dominic’s Research Revealed

Let’s look at Fr Dom’s research in full.

Research Item

Comment

Hindu scriptures in India come under two categories: the Sruti and the Smriti. It is true that the Gita technically does not belong to Sruti, acknowledged by the Hindu tradition as eternal (the sacred texts comprising the central canon of Hinduism, the Vedas and the Upanishads), but to Smriti (literally, that which is remembered), as it is a section of the Mahabharata.

Awesome! Tell us something we don’t already know, Fr. Dom.

Gispert-Sauch, an emeritus professor of Indology and a well- known scholar of Indian religions in Delhi, holds, “Adi Shankaracharya himself and the Indian tradition in general include the Gita among the prasthana-traya of the Vedanta tradition (i.e., the Upanishads [Veda], the Gita [smrti] and Badarayana’s Brahma Sutras, which may be considered ‘philosophy’, although they summarise the teachings of the Upanishads). These three ‘foundational’ texts are often appealed to as authoritative in religious, legal, ritual and philosophical texts.”

Who is Gispert-Sauch and why should we take his word as authority? Quoting unheard-of scholars with fancy titles next to their name makes not a black crow white. I’m surprised Fr Dom didn’t quote Wendy Doniger who called the Bhagavad Gita a “dishonest book.”

In the introduction to his commentary of the Bhagvad Gita, Shankaracharya tells us that it was declared in the Kurukshetra by the Supreme Lord and Creator (Bhagvan and Iswara) to ensure the sustenance and well-being of the “brahma” world and all its people. Mahatma Gandhi considered the Gita as the summary of the whole Vedic revelation.

So?

Gispert further avers, “In my opinion, the ‘Song of the Lord’ or, more accurately according to the traditional colophons at the end of each of the 18 chapters, the Gita Upanishad sung by the Lord is primarily a religious text, but it is also simultaneously a great philosophical text, even if it is not sruti but smriti. After all, the Mahabharata and the Ramayana, no less than the six darsanas, are all smritis, and they are the foundation of most religious life, both in South and North India. The Gita is not a mere philosophical text as, for example, the bhashyas of Shankara or Ramanuja are. It is much higher, authentically religious and I would add, mystical.”

Ah! Now we thank Fr Dom for introducing us to the brilliance of this Indology-ignoramus-Emeritus, Gispert. More on that in a bit.

So this is the full extent of Fr Dom’s “research” on the Bhagavad Gita. Let’s look at what some other folks have said about the Gita:

"The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement of spiritual evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed; hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of humanity." ~ Aldous Huxley

"The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the human race a living creation rather than a book, with a new message for every age and a new meaning for every civilization." ~ Rishi Aurobindo

"In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial." ~ Henry David Thoreau

"The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought and in its philosophical teachings Krishna has all the attributes of the full-fledged montheistic deity and at the same time the attributes of the Upanisadic absolute." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

Fr Dom wants us to hold the utterances of an obscure and ill-informed scholar over and above what these eminent men have said about the Gita? Everybody in the aforementioned list have unfailingly called it a philosophical work. But you could argue that I’m appealing to authority. However, I’m merely doing what  Fr Dom has done. Bad idea no? So let’s discard all this and look at the issue as is.

How Not to Understand the Bhagavad Gita

If you look at it, the Bhagavad Gita is everything to everybody. To Adi Shankara, Madhva and Ramanuja, it was a philosophical work of the highest order and reverence. So lofty that they dedicated their tremendous intellects to write elaborate commentaries upon it. To a Wendy Doniger and spurious scholars like her, it is a work that preaches war. A woman is a woman: whether you look at every woman as a mother or a whore tells a lot about how you think.

The whole “debate” of religion versus philosophy was largely limited to a very narrow sphere within “Sanskrit studies” (later known as Indology) dominated by Western scholars roughly till the first half of the previous century. It became more widespread in Indian academic and intellectual circles when Macaulay’s intellectual progeny who obtained tertiary knowledge about their own country and traditions from their Western Masters began to gain prominence in the public space.

Religion vs Philosophy always means the Christian Religion versus Philosophy. Purely within the realm of Hinduism, there is no equivalent of the word “religion” in the same sense as it’s used in Western discourse. The darshanas that Fr Dom mentions are actually philosophical schools, each school trying to seek answers to the Ultimate Truth in their own way. Which is where our Ignoramus-Emeritus comes in.

Exhibit A:

“Adi Shankaracharya himself and the Indian tradition in general include the Gita among the prasthana-traya of the Vedanta tradition (i.e., the Upanishads [Veda], the Gita [smrti] and Badarayana’s Brahma Sutras, which may be considered ‘philosophy’, although they summarise the teachings of the Upanishads). These three ‘foundational’ texts are often appealed to as authoritative in religious, legal, ritual and philosophical texts.”

The fact that this Ignoramus-Emeritus says “which may be considered philosophy” and puts ‘philosophy’ in quotation marks displays his ignorance. Every single work dealing with Indian philosophical traditions over at least 2000 years by thousands of scholars unambiguously terms these works as works of philosophy. Yet to this obscure ignoramus, it’s doubtful whether it deals with philosophy! And Fr Dom appeals to his authority. Also, Ignoramus-Emeritus needs to show us exactly one ritual text, which appeals to the Bhagavad Gita. Exactly one ritual text. And further,

“In my opinion, the ‘Song of the Lord’ or, more accurately according to the traditional colophons at the end of each of the 18 chapters, the Gita Upanishad sung by the Lord is primarily a religious text, but it is also simultaneously a great philosophical text, even if it is not sruti but smriti.”

The first person to decipher the meaning of this piece of textual confoundedness gets a grand dinner treat from me. Not content, Gispert pounds away at his ignorance with unstoppable fury:

The Gita is not a mere philosophical text as, for example, the bhashyas of Shankara or Ramanuja are. It is much higher, authentically religious and I would add, mystical.”

This line is again a classic manifestation of Western scholarship on Hinduism: it simply cannot look at philosophy as is: that is, separate from the Christian religion. If something falls beyond the pale of these two categories, a third category is brought in: mysticism. Traditional schools of Indian philosophy actually warn against mysticism saying it’s a dangerous path to tread upon. Indeed, Swami Vivekananda rather charitably, calls Mohammed a misguided Yogi. Now, the bhashyas of Shankara et al are related to their own specific school of Indian philosophy: Advaita, Vishishtadvaita and Dvaita—and all these schools unanimously uphold the greatness of the Bhagavad Gita as an exalted philosophical work. If this is the case, Gispert’s claim that “The Gita is not a mere philosophical text as, for example, the bhashyas of Shankara or Ramanuja are” is utterly ignorant. This is like writing a paper on particle physics without being aware of such a thing as particle physics. And the fact that he makes this claim with the Emeritus title is proof of my claim that he’s Emeritus-Ignoramus. And what does this make Fr Dom?

The Power of Ignorance

The answer is found here, in his own flippant statement calling upon the honourable judges to

…consider Lord Krishna a mere philosopher and the festival of Janmashtami (the birth of Lord Krishna) to be celebrated in universities?

Why not? Hindus are perfectly content to consider Krishna as a philosopher. Forget philosopher: Hindus are okay to call him a cunning goatherd, a thief of women’s clothes, and a deceiver, and still worship him with the same reverence. And why stop at only Krishna? Millions of Hindus worship that Ultimate Beggar and Graveyard-Dweller, Shiva in much the same way as Brahma, a God who doesn’t have a visual representation at all. The point, Fr Dom, is that one of the basic tenets of Hindu philosophy is this: all life and even non-life is sacred and worthy of celebration, worship, and reverence. Almost every major Hindu philosophical school regards life as a unified whole: from birth to death. Ever wonder why there’s a festival and/or celebration when a child is born, or its head is shaved for the first time, or when a girl attains puberty, or marriage or the nuptial night, or childbirth? Or why when someone dies, he or she is said to attain immortality? Or why harvest is celebrated? Or why Holi or Vasant-utsav is celebrated? Or why even have the festival of lights? You name the occasion in a person’s or a community’s life, there’s a festival attached to it. The philosophical underpinnings of these celebrations are exactly the same: the unity and sanctity of life and creation.

Which is why on the one side Hindus worship Krishna as the Giver of he Celestial Song and in the same breath, a Purandara Dasa castigates the same Krishna by asking him, “Show me one person who has been happy by believing in You?” Which is why Hindus can easily say that the fierce evil demon, Hiranyakashyapa was doing the same thing that his son did: constantly chanting Vishnu’s name albeit in a different way. Which is why the “Problem of Evil,” which has exerted thousands of Western philosophers finds nary a mention in any school of Hindu philosophy.

Dear Fr Dom: the secret of why Hinduism has survived for so long without resorting to conversion by force and/or fraud is this: it personalizes the concept of God by giving it a human or any form. Why is it that the Son of God has to be spoken in nothing but the most Glowing, Reverential and Holy terms, especially if he’s all-powerful? Why does one need to fear an all-merciful God? Why is it that He must be born immaculately? And if he is indeed born immaculately, why the need even for a human..err…Mother? And granted even that, why should the Mother be a virgin? Why deny the pleasure of sex to both the Holy Mother and Holier Son? Why do you feel a need to maintain that “holy” distance? I mean, don’t you find it too tedious: Human—> God’s Son –> God? Why can’t there be more than one Son of God given that there are millions of souls to be saved? Why doesn’t the Son of God and the Holy Father have a sense of humour? Even the most Faithful sometimes need to vent out their anger generally against life: can’t they even say Damn you God! at least once without incurring a sin and then coming over to Fathers like you on Sunday for Confession?

Final Points

Oh wait, you’re not done yet, Fr Dom. You further ask in that self-righteous tone that characterizes your ilk:

Would the justices then please explain why the temple worshippers at Vrindavan deify Lord Krishna?

Why is it the job of these justices to explain why temple worshippers at Vrindavan deify Lord Krishna? That wasn’t the case brought to their court. Fr Dom might have as well asked why isn’t it raining in Kolkata.

And why on earth do our courts ask witnesses to place their hand on the Gita to swear, if it is not a religious book?

This is completely hilarious and downright ignorant. One wonders if Fr Dom has ever stepped into a courtroom. I suppose he’s been watching too many B-grade Hindi movies featuring highly-charged courtroom scenes. No religious or other book is ever given: all you need to do is swear that you’ll speak nothing but the truth: whether you swear on God or no doesn’t matter.

Would they also hold that Meera Bai’s experience of total mystical union with Lord Krishna was just a moment of philosophical delusion?

Again, is it the job of these judges to rule on Meera Bai’s mystical experiences? Even if it was her philosophical delusion, how is it related to the nature of the Bhagavad Gita? And why isn’t she allowed to have her delusions when some human being 2000-odd years ago claimed stuff like the following:

  • I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life!
  • Blessed is he who is NOT offended because of Me
  • I AM the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life
  • I AM the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies

What’s even more delusional is the fact that you, Fr Dom actually believe that this is true. No wonder, your conclusions are similarly confounded:

It is a little more than surprising and indeed intriguing that neither the religious leaders nor the philosophers or indeed the secularists of our country expressed their views on this ruling of the Madhya Pradesh high court.

Because they’re not Fr Dom. That’s the only way to say it.

Like I said, the Bhagavad Gita is everything to everybody. It is primarily a philosophical work for the puny minds that think that religion and philosophy are separate. It is also a religious work for the same puny minds that want a readymade but incomplete definition of religion is. In much the same way, Hindus worship Krishna not just because he gave the Bhagavad Gita but for countless other reasons, the chief of which is the fact that his life is a study in and demonstration of upholding Dharma.

Now going by that other Father Anand Muttungal’s petition “seeking to include summaries of sacred books of all other religions in the academic curriculum,” I’m all for it. I mean, why just stop at teaching children the good stuff in the Bhagavad Gita. Why don’t we teach schoolchildren the Bible? You know, the stories of how:

  • Cain slept with his own sister
  • Abraham married his half-sister, Sara
  • Nachor, Abraham’s brother, married his own niece
  • The two daughters of Lot had sex with their father to preserve their family line
  • Amnon tried to have sex with his sister, Thomar and when she tried to defend herself, was raped by Amnon.

Postscript: Father Dominic Emmanuel, before you try and research stuff about other faiths to suit your foregone conclusions, remember this Biblical advice:

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

81 comments for “Father, Spare us Thy Ignorant Sermon

  1. March 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    a leftist Harmeet Singh, giving a sermon on what Hinduism is and is not in a “sponsored review” of Rajiv Malhotra’s book ‘Being Different’

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/02032012-a-sacred-subversion-against-science-and-reason-book-review/

  2. March 11, 2012 at 4:31 AM

    Check out this new YT video
    http://youtu.be/MOkWSa69NKA

    first hand evidence of:
    a) what ignorant secularists & church evangelists are doing to Indians, and
    b) Indians can do well enough if these two predator-types do not interfere

    Rajiv Malhotra notes: ” Soon after the 2004 tsunami, I went to the worst affected areas in Tamil Nadu for several weeks, in order to understand the loss, not only the physical loss suffered but also the emotional, cultural and psychological losses. Issues related to dharma of the villagers and their identities came up frequently. Western church evangelism was very aggressive and became an important topic. I learned many things that were captured in the above 33 minute video, including:

    AIM For Seva was doing exemplary relief work across multiple dimensions while respecting local culture.
    Various foreign churches (World Vision, etc.) had far greater funds and had set up tent townships to gain media publicity; but many locals found this disingeneous. I filmed a famous, massive cathedral nearby for its inculturation tactics.
    Villagers’ jati identity was strong despite official attempts to suppress it; most jatis had their own local deity, typicall a form of the Hindu Goddess.
    I interviewed a priest at a famous temple, who was from a community classified as “backward caste” but who felt empowered to lead worship among people of all communities for 50 years, just as his father did before him.
    The government had classified ancient temples as “secular” monuments and banned worship, but the worship was still being done.
    An orthodox priest explains to a woman of my team as to why women should not chant Vedas, and a long argument develops.

    My camera crew captured 50+ hours of footage over a period of many days. But given the urgency to bring this messsage back to USA for fund raising, the material was shortened into a very brief film. The result of the successful campaign was that Infinity Foundation raised funds to help AIM For Seva build and operate a youth hostel for victims of the tsunami. Today it is a fully functioning education center providing a valuable service, and a living example that foreign funding is not the only way to provide relief in India.”

  3. cricfan
    February 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM

    @NASH, i would let @menka answer that.

  4. krishnan
    February 27, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    Sandeep, I have been a silent reader, following your posts and discussions in comments section. I have benefitted a lot from your blogs and comments section. I am sure there are lots of silent listeners like me who just read your posts and do not make much comment, but importantly get enlightened about the dangerous activities of pseudo secular liberals and politicians. Please do not under estimate the power of your blog and think about shutting it down. It is making immense contribution to us. Thanks.

  5. NASH
    February 27, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    to cricfan

    how do observers come to a conclusion at variance with the event?if the event happened before there eyes would it be still they would give a wrong call?wrt @menka’s comment.

  6. cricfan
    February 27, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    @menka “People here engage with selective quoting, trial lawyeristic arguments and outright denial of widely accepted facts.”

    hmm … as opposed to people ‘not from here’ with their self-justifying cherry-picked reports, non-legalistic back-and-forth, and total rejection of lesser known facts?

  7. Nandan
    February 27, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Sandeep anna…you will be giving into the psecs and forever be in a blackhole, if you shut down this blog..you’re blogs are insightful. Keep it going…why do you want to shut it down anyway???

  8. veda
    February 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    This is not done.You cannot close this blog.Period.

  9. menka
    February 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    People here engage with selective quoting, trial lawyeristic arguments and outright denial of widely accepted facts. They believe that with the vast trove of the internet at their disposal, they can change reality as happened.This is the same approach the Pakistani establishment uses to deny its hand in every terrorist attack in India and the world. Despite the cleverness of their arguments, we all know where that has led to Pakistan’s perception in the world. Thankfully, Narendra Modi is also going to end up in the wastebasket of history – and in prison.

    For fair, neutral reporting on the 2002 Gujarat riots – from somebody without any stake in India’s political outcomes – here is the New York City based Human Rights Watch report on what Modi’s administration was (not) doing -:
    “We have no orders to save you”
    http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2002/india/gujarat.pdf

  10. sat
    February 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Sandeep – sorry if this sounds dramatic. through your blogs you are taking some of us from darkness to light. if not for you, we would be believing NDTV, CNN-IBN and rest of the marxists and would continue to remain in darknes. please continue the good work.

  11. cricfan
    February 27, 2012 at 6:59 AM

    India doesn’t have a Seculars Anonymous center to rehabilitate Indians brainwashed by Nehru Klansmen to swallow their secular codswallop and short-circuit their own critical thinking ability. This site is the online alternative. The best things in life are free, just not freedom.

  12. Rama
    February 27, 2012 at 6:02 AM

    Sandeep, mate, don’t ever even THINK of closing this blog.
    Who else will/can lead the fight against Sonia Mafiosi, the Prince in waiting, the corrupt congress and the Modi bashing pseudo secularists?
    Best wishes,please continue your good work.

  13. S S
    February 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM

    @ Sandeep

    Please note also the view of great sociologist Max Weber on Bhagavad-Gita.

    In his famous lecture ‘Politics as a Vocation’ (Munich University, 1918) Weber presented Bhagavad-Gita as the only classic in the world to understand the relation of politics and ethics. He gave a full paragraph on it. From which I quote:

    “You will find war integrated into the totality of life-spheres in the Bhagavad-Gita, in the conversation between Krishna nad Arduna….The Indian hero [Arjuna] would have despised Nirvana just as much as the Teuton would have sneered at the Christian paradise with its angels’ choires. This specialization of ethics allowed for the Indian ethic’s quite unbroken treatment of politics by following politics’ own laws and even radically enhancing this royal art.”

  14. S S
    February 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    Thanks to Sandeep and Arvind!

    For taking up the issue and explaining very succinctly the difference between “two kinds of religions – those that try to answer the meaning of life and those that seek world domination.”

  15. Rete
    February 26, 2012 at 4:46 AM

    Oh and PS to Vishwanathan – Adi Sankara did not defeat any Buddhist schools. Buddhism was in decline long before he arrived on the scene because it lacked the ability to sustain itself without lavish patronage of Viharas from strong governments, unlike the Vedantic and other philosophical streams which were diffused among the people. Tantric Buddhism was the only form of Buddhism that existed in most parts of India by the time Sankara arrived on the scene, and that too was primarily influenced by Hinduism.
    Furthermore, those parts of the world which remained significantly Buddhist were the first to lose their culture and religion when the Arabs and Turks struck – cases in point being Afghanistan, Central Asia, Indonesia, parts of Kashmir. And now Buddhism is in full retreat in the face of missionary activity in China and Korea as well.

  16. Rete
    February 26, 2012 at 4:30 AM

    WTF Sandeep is planning to wrap up this blog? No No No No No No! Everytime a new post comes out on this blog my friends and I try to beat each other to share it on each other’s walls, to show we were the first to read it.. It ain’t for nothing that when I type “s” into the address bar in my google chrome the only suggestion is sandeepweb.com!
    And I was surprised to read Abhishek’s post because a lot of people I know, myself included, were Richard Dawkins – Ayn Rand reading, iconoclastic, hate-filled atheist A-holes as well, before having our eyes opened. It reminded me of a book by Sita Ram Goel called How I became a Hindu, available on VoI.

  17. CC
    February 25, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    I agree with Abhishek. Sandeep, please keep on writing.

  18. shek
    February 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    superb ! am reading ‘breaking india’ by rajiv malhotra and father dom could have easily figured in it.western evangelicals since the mid 1800s have got off on their own fantasies and have systematically targeted any thing hindu by assuming roles of indophile scholars and putting forth their bizarre theories as facts.the likes of father dom happily play the role of ‘uncle tom’ in their eagerness to continue to receive funds from their masters abroad.it is time that they are told what to do with their theories and where to shove it.no turning the other cheek anymore.

  19. Abhishek
    February 25, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    @ jooske.. I aint giving up reading sandeep’s blogs, buddy. In fact, I have already completed reading all his posts long back. Though I agree I have been a silent reader and seldom commented on them. And everyday, I always check to see if any new blog post has been posted or not.

    I agree he must write a book so that the reach is even more. My rediscovery of India was due to Sandeep only but there are so many who just could not see this land of shivaji, maharana pratap and subhash just because the commie/liberal hypocrites have completely hogged the various history depts and mainstream media.

  20. Ranger
    February 25, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    Fantastic post by Abhiskek. Yes, I too read that tweet by Sandeep and was worried that he would close the blog. He perhaps does not realize how important this blog is to so many of us. I request every reader of this blog to implore Sandeep to keep blogging and never give up.

  21. Jooske
    February 25, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    @abhishek

    Do not give up reading all the blogs by Sandeep.

    I read his blogs for years before commenting.

    The best blog in India.Yes the best.

    reasons:

    factual

    logical

    well reasoned

    well argued

    educational

    not many can argue against him for the reasons above

    you read the ELM and think what is written there is right until you find out that it is not.

    some facts are left out or twisted.

    In fact I want a book by him.

    In fact could be up there with the ones you have mentioned?

  22. NASH
    February 25, 2012 at 7:20 AM

    to abhishek

    well said and appropriate.

  23. tushar
    February 25, 2012 at 2:03 AM

    @Abhishek, great post. Let hope Sandeep reads your post and doesn’t close this blog.

    I think three generations of Indians have been screwed by the commies and christists because there was no internet. My case would have been similar except that by chance I came across a book by vivekanand in my late teens which made me explore more. Before that I too was an atheist. Thank God for the internet. It is truly a game changer.

  24. Abhishek
    February 25, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    Sandeep dost,

    I dont know whether this is a correct place or not for this but need to say this. A few days ago I saw a tweet from you that you are thinking to close down the blog. Its your blog and you do have the full right over it. But my friend, in the interest of this nation, I implore you not to do so. You cannot imagine how much service you have done to our motherland through this blog. If at all you wish to share the server hosting costs, please feel free to ask. I will contribute and I am sure many others will too. Your blog is perhaps the only place where we are can see the intellectual kshatriyata of a sita ram goel through you. We and bharat needs you. Please don’t ever stop writing and don’t ever close this blog.
    A couple of years back, I too was a self professed atheist reading Rand,Dawkins , who did not feel proud about this great land, got all isolated from this gem due to the smokescreen created by the commie cartel. I used to moderate an atheist blog and an orkut atheist community. But one fine day, while just browsing, I landed on 1 post of yours. It shook me up. I kept on reading one post after another and all the dirt created by the commie,sickular crowd started vanishing. I got the first glimpse of our bharat from you, my friend. The bharat which has a culture which is eternal and applicable at any point in time. Quoting Vivekananda, “Now the very dust of India has become holy to me, the very air is now to me holy; it is now the holy land, the place of pilgrimage, the Tirtha”. And it all started because of you, dear sandeep. I came to know about Vivekanand’s works, Sita Ram Goel, Arun Shourie, Ram Swarup, K S Lal all from sandeepweb.com and then read them. And from me, I can say that not less than 11 others who have taken out the glares from their eyes and started knowing this great land of ours. Your efforts have never gone in vain. Your each post has its effect, trust me. Its just because of this limitation of internet that it cannot allow physical interactions that you might be having few doubts as to about your effectiveness.

  25. Avinash
    February 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    Yesterday I had seen this Father Demon on Times Now, debating on Homo-sexuality, of all things!!!!!!!! I am just wondering about the mentality of those who believe that just one person is holding all valid visas to the Heaven.

  26. SB
    February 24, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    Sandeep, good article. Fr Dom is so typical of his kind. These types are the very picture of narrowness and bigotry who can never accept or understand anything outside their Christian dogma. Now, that in itself would be fine but then when their simultaneous arrogance and ignorance causes them to pass oh-so-righteous judgments on things they are not destined to understand in their current lives, the stink is unbearable.

    Btw, once again, I foresee that a majority of comments will focus on rebutting one idiot (till the idiot gets more and more hysterical and hateful), instead of discussing the article itself.

  27. SB
    February 24, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    I am glad people like Viswanathan drop in once in a while here and vent their nonsense. Their absolute non-comprehension of our Dharma and culture shows the utter hollowness of their thinking and way of life.

    From his responses, he doesn’t seem to want any genuine dialogue and wants only a good time trying to be a nuisance. The best way to behave with such people is to ignore them.

  28. tushar
    February 24, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Pretty sure that Viswanathan is Tima/Loneranger. Same sort of unending incoherent rambling.

  29. tushar
    February 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Vishwa,

    Stop embarrassing yourself dude and wasting people’s time. For the sake of whatever you hold dear.

    …to explain the persistence of Hinduism in India. You could prove me wrong

    Prove what wrong? You don’t really say anything.

    As for Hinduism continuous persistence, it was not due to the perseverance of the people or anything like that. The medieval society of India took the form in which a lot of Hindu yes Hindu feudal lords compromised with their conquerors to maintain their rule over their subjects

    Now if you could explain how compromises with the conquerors cannot be considered a way to persevere, then you are actually saying something. Too much logic for you?

    second poser, I put forward another reason as to why the glorious ancient tradition…

    You are joking right? First you say “vedic idealism” is to be differentiated from the “materialist school”. Then you quote two Ayurvedic texts and include them in the “materialist school” because they “do not include treating soul”. Then you say the “materialistic school” or is it ayurvedic, declined because Shankara and the monists defeated them, although I would like to see how Shankara “defeated” an “ayurvedic school”. Then you bring in the Buddhists for some reason to round off the “argument”.

    So let me get this straight. Ayurvedics, who were part of the materialist school of philosophy, flourished in ancient india – including a thousand year period when buddhist philosophical schools ascended – and declined because Shankara defeated them, philosophically.

    This is the gist of your comment? You are history student you say? Where? Could I have the contact details of your professors?

    Before accusing me as a hypocrite, you should have referred to my earlier comments

    I did. Your first sentence on this board was, “Rather than bash other religions…” and then you went on to mock Hindus and Hinduism in the third sentence on this board. It’s ok to be biased against Hindus you know, just don’t pretend to be liberal and objective.

  30. Avinash
    February 24, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    @ Viswanathan, o my darling, I still could not understand what you are farting from the mouth. >>>>>>>By “we” I assume you refer to hindus. even with the marathas, tales exist about how they antagonized other hindu feudal lords>>>>>>how did you conclude that the “we” I was referring to were only Hindus? The “we” I had referred to included all Indians (excpet the low life converts who sided with the Invaders).

    From where on earth BJP, Bangaru Laxman, Modi, George Fernandes, etc come into the discussion?? Congress party has been in power ever since 2004. Why they did not persue the case against George Fernandes and get him prosecuted?

    George Fernandes was the uncrowned King of Bombay during his heydays. He does not need chicken-feeds out of Coffin purchases like the small time Congressmen. He was falsely implicted in the Baroda Dynamite Case by the late Ms.Indira Gandhi to settle scores with him. Ever since, the Con-party had tried their level best to implicate him in one case or the other like they had tried all their tricks with Mr. Narendra Modi also.

    What is the relationship between the so-called Planning Commission Note and the article under discusson? Why are you digressing? All major taxes (Income Tax, Central Excise duty, Customs Duty, etc) are collected by the Central Govt and then the Sultans/Sultanas sitting in in Delhi allocate the same to their Vassals (aka State Govts). So the Sultans/Sultanas sitting in Delhi are responsible for the dismal performance of the Gujarat Govt also as Gujarat is still not an independent Country!!!!!!!

  31. Arvind
    February 24, 2012 at 4:50 AM

    @Viswanathan: you wrote, “Rather than bash other religions think as to why Indian people who espoused the ” Hindu way of life” succumbed to conquests by both the Arabs and the British?”

    You accuse others of not answering your question. I am willing to answer you, but first, let me correct your question: instead of Arabs, it should be MUSLIMS and instead of the British, it should read CHRISTISTS.

    Good question. The answer is that if all people had been armed and shot the invaders, the Muslims and Christists would not have taken over India. Hindus should also have shot those who sided with the invaders, i.e., the forerunners of today’s Macaulayites. If this had been done early on, the problem would have been solved. I hope this answers your question.

    There is a further point of clarification: you tell us not to “bash other religions.” I guess you mean ISLAM AND CHRISTISM. Why should one not bash them? In fact, if you are on the side of liberty, you have to oppose creeds that spread terrorism. ISLAM AND CHRISTISM are terrorist cults. BTW, you want to be known as someone who loves liberty, right? You also blindly worship Whites, so let me give you examples of Whites who oppose Christism and Islam, the two terrorist cults.

    - Ayn Rand opposed Christism and Islam
    - Richard Dawkins opposes Christism
    - Richard Dawkins opposes Islam
    - Voltaire trashed Pbuh Mohammed and wrote the play Mahomet
    - Voltaire also wrote, “These words of the Brahmin made a greater impression on me than all the rest.”
    - Barry Goldwater the libertarian trashed Christism

    Notice that the above named people reserved their ire for the two terrorist religions that seek world domination. They did not target “all religions.” Moral of the story: if you want to be considered as a believer of freedom and a supporter of Ayn Rand’s works (this is the latest fad in Indian “liberal” circles where they have no clue what the word means but are happy to be called liberals because it makes them feel on par with white people and removes their unexplained inferiority complex, so you too probably want to be known as a supporter of Ayn Rand).

    Again, if you are too stupid to understand, let me reiterate in simple terms. There are two kinds of religions – those that try to answer the meaning of life and those that seek world domination. It is your duty to oppose the latter type of religions.

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